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rken (OP) User ID: 1212151 Thailand 12/31/2010 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul If you tired of paying taxes to banks that aren't even owned by US companies. Of seeing you tax dollars used for illegal wars. End the FED. Its easy all you have to do is go to any FED bank with your FED note and demand legal US tender which they are obligated to give you. If they refuse, you are no longer obligated to pay taxes. Watch the vids folks. Its easy to understand and do. Now is the time. rken |
Khalen User ID: 1085869 Canada 12/31/2010 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul As his vision slowly cleared, the traveler came to the startling realization that he had been sitting by the side of the road, repeatedly hitting himself in the head with his walking staff. He had in fact been doing this for a quarter of a century. Shaking his head at his own folly, he dusted himself off, set his gaze upon the road up the mountain and once more set off upon his journey. |
rken (OP) User ID: 1212151 Thailand 12/31/2010 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul almost forgot if you want to end the FED bump this thread. and 5 star for a pin rken Last Edited by rken on 12/31/2010 01:54 PM |
rken (OP) User ID: 1212151 Thailand 12/31/2010 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul Thanks Khalen Come on folks I here a lot of bitching, everybody wondering what they can do to change things for the better and get rid of the FED. Here is your chance. Its easy and we can do it. Time to shit or get off the pot. rken |
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rken (OP) User ID: 1212151 Thailand 12/31/2010 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul "Demand and record your demand for lawful money and there is nothing to bring charges for. "Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank." From: [link to www.law.cornell.edu] It is their law, after all. What can they do if you have demanded and redeemed your Federal Reserve Credit for lawful money? There nothing they can do and you will never get in front of a Judge or a Jury, because the remedy is in the law." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 692708 United States 12/31/2010 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul PLEASE NOTICE: Your local banks nor the Federal Reserve main banks will give you anything but FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES, so do not ask! You do not need anything else!! [link to ustreas.gov (secure)] Both United States Notes and Federal Reserve Notes are parts of our national currency and both are legal tender. They circulate as money in the same way. However, the issuing authority for them comes from different statutes. United States Notes were redeemable in gold until 1933, when the United States abandoned the gold standard. Since then, both currencies have served essentially the same purpose, and have had the same value. Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971." Federal Reserve notes are, UPON DEMAND, lawful money. The banks now do all of the exchanging and crediting of accounts being redeemed in lawful money in house. They will not give you US Bank notes, they cannot, it is against the law for them to deal in them. Nor will they accept deposits of Gold coins for the same reason. IT IS YOUR DEMAND THAT MAKES THE TRANSITION from Federal Reserve Credit/debt to LAWFUL MONEY because you act as one of the PEOPLE when you do it, not as a US Corporate US Citizen. |
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rken (OP) User ID: 1212151 Thailand 12/31/2010 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul PLEASE NOTICE: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708Your local banks nor the Federal Reserve main banks will give you anything but FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES, so do not ask! You do not need anything else!! [link to ustreas.gov (secure)] Both United States Notes and Federal Reserve Notes are parts of our national currency and both are legal tender. They circulate as money in the same way. However, the issuing authority for them comes from different statutes. United States Notes were redeemable in gold until 1933, when the United States abandoned the gold standard. Since then, both currencies have served essentially the same purpose, and have had the same value. Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971." Federal Reserve notes are, UPON DEMAND, lawful money. The banks now do all of the exchanging and crediting of accounts being redeemed in lawful money in house. They will not give you US Bank notes, they cannot, it is against the law for them to deal in them. Nor will they accept deposits of Gold coins for the same reason. IT IS YOUR DEMAND THAT MAKES THE TRANSITION from Federal Reserve Credit/debt to LAWFUL MONEY because you act as one of the PEOPLE when you do it, not as a US Corporate US Citizen. So what you are saying is that we can go to our banks and tell them we want our account to be in US Bank notes. If not can you explain further rken |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 692708 United States 12/31/2010 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul PLEASE NOTICE: Quoting: rkenYour local banks nor the Federal Reserve main banks will give you anything but FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES, so do not ask! You do not need anything else!! [link to ustreas.gov (secure)] Both United States Notes and Federal Reserve Notes are parts of our national currency and both are legal tender. They circulate as money in the same way. However, the issuing authority for them comes from different statutes. United States Notes were redeemable in gold until 1933, when the United States abandoned the gold standard. Since then, both currencies have served essentially the same purpose, and have had the same value. Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971." Federal Reserve notes are, UPON DEMAND, lawful money. The banks now do all of the exchanging and crediting of accounts being redeemed in lawful money in house. They will not give you US Bank notes, they cannot, it is against the law for them to deal in them. Nor will they accept deposits of Gold coins for the same reason. IT IS YOUR DEMAND THAT MAKES THE TRANSITION from Federal Reserve Credit/debt to LAWFUL MONEY because you act as one of the PEOPLE when you do it, not as a US Corporate US Citizen. So what you are saying is that we can go to our banks and tell them we want our account to be in US Bank notes. If not can you explain further rken You sign all of your deposit slips and checks like this: "Deposit for credit on account or exchange for non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value." By: Your signature DBA ALL CAPS NAME Most people just get a stamp made (without the signature, of course and stamp the checks and deposit slips. The bank calls them "restricted endorsements". The banks will not like this, because they cannot fractional-ise the deposit amount. But that is all in house and has nothing to do with your demand. Some people keep a copy of all checks and deposits or the bank will sometimes send them back. ATMS now give a copy of the check, front and back, so you can keep that as your record. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1100445 United States 12/31/2010 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul How does one go about demanding lawful money (rather than federal reserve notes)? How to deal with the problem of direct deposit (since no actual deposit slip is used)? How does one prove their FRNs were converted to lawful money, thereby exempting the income tax? If one converts ALL their income for a year to lawful money, do they simply not file a 1040 or is there a form or forms they can file in lieu of the 1040 to be sure the IRS isn't going to come after them years later? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 692708 United States 12/31/2010 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul When you restrict your signature, you do not give a blanket approval to the Federal Reserve Bank to steal from you. You do not need to tell the bank or anyone else what you are doing, I have done this in banks all over the States, most will give you no problems, if they try, request, in writing, they contact their legal department. You will have no issues after that phone call is made, that has been the result in the past for everyone who has done it. Credit unions also. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 765433 United States 12/31/2010 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul It's a question of what may be lawful vs. what is de facto reality. If you attempt to do this, they will either look at you with incomprehension as if you were a space alien, or they'll think of you as a "crazy" tax protester. Then they'll tell you to get lost, or be arrested as a "tax terrorist." Lovey 'democracy' we live in, isn't it? |
rken (OP) User ID: 1212151 Thailand 12/31/2010 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul In short, the TAXABLE EVENT is your signature on any deposit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708When you restrict your signature, you do not give a blanket approval to the Federal Reserve Bank to steal from you. You do not need to tell the bank or anyone else what you are doing, I have done this in banks all over the States, most will give you no problems, if they try, request, in writing, they contact their legal department. You will have no issues after that phone call is made, that has been the result in the past for everyone who has done it. Credit unions also. So you are restricting your signature by writing in the words Deposit for credit on account or exchange for non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value." By: Your signature DBA ALL CAPS NAME Is this correct. rken |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 692708 United States 12/31/2010 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul How does one go about demanding lawful money (rather than federal reserve notes)? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1100445How to deal with the problem of direct deposit (since no actual deposit slip is used)? How does one prove their FRNs were converted to lawful money, thereby exempting the income tax? If one converts ALL their income for a year to lawful money, do they simply not file a 1040 or is there a form or forms they can file in lieu of the 1040 to be sure the IRS isn't going to come after them years later? People have been doing this since 1933 (actually, this has been an issue since the civil war), most of the time, they would just exchange the FRNs for US Bank Notes, but that changed in 1977. Now, the FRN serves as US Bank notes and the Bank does an accounting of all Lawful money transactions. As for the IRS, one could file for a full refund or, after a year of redeeming lawful money, do a ZERO withholding on the employers W-4. Then, when you file a 1040, you simply have ZERO taxable income, but you must redeem lawful money for a full year before doing that. The IRS has the right to contact you and you must provide your proof that you have been redeeming lawful money with your demands. As for direct deposit, change your signature card as directed above, or send a notarized letter to your bank that all withdrawals or deposits on account XXXXXX-XXXXXX are for credit on account or exchanged for lawful money in the form of Non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value. Send it Registered mail to your bank. |
rken (OP) User ID: 1212151 Thailand 12/31/2010 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul Thread: IRS Agent Joe Banister Acquitted !!! (Page 3) "Do not use their product, demand lawful money of the united States at your bank in the form of redeemed Federal Reserve Notes and you do not owe them a fee. NOTICE: FRNs serve as lawful money UPON DEMAND, the bank will not give you any other kind of money (US Bank Notes, Gold or silver Certificates or stamps or uS Postal money orders, so do not ask) many have tried. Since the late 1970s, the banks do not circulate US Bank notes (with red seals and serial numbers) Federal reserve notes serve just fine, once the demand is recorded on all deposits and withdrawals, its all the proof you will need. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 692708 United States 12/31/2010 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul It's a question of what may be lawful vs. what is de facto reality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 765433If you attempt to do this, they will either look at you with incomprehension as if you were a space alien, or they'll think of you as a "crazy" tax protester. Then they'll tell you to get lost, or be arrested as a "tax terrorist." Lovey 'democracy' we live in, isn't it? They might, until they call their legal department, then they will be all smiles and sweet the next time. Been there, done that. They have no choice, you really think the bank is going to violate the agreement the Federal Reserve has with congress? Its all about the money, folks, use it to your advantage. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1100445 United States 12/31/2010 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul How does one go about demanding lawful money (rather than federal reserve notes)? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708How to deal with the problem of direct deposit (since no actual deposit slip is used)? How does one prove their FRNs were converted to lawful money, thereby exempting the income tax? If one converts ALL their income for a year to lawful money, do they simply not file a 1040 or is there a form or forms they can file in lieu of the 1040 to be sure the IRS isn't going to come after them years later? People have been doing this since 1933 (actually, this has been an issue since the civil war), most of the time, they would just exchange the FRNs for US Bank Notes, but that changed in 1977. Now, the FRN serves as US Bank notes and the Bank does an accounting of all Lawful money transactions. As for the IRS, one could file for a full refund or, after a year of redeeming lawful money, do a ZERO withholding on the employers W-4. Then, when you file a 1040, you simply have ZERO taxable income, but you must redeem lawful money for a full year before doing that. The IRS has the right to contact you and you must provide your proof that you have been redeeming lawful money with your demands. As for direct deposit, change your signature card as directed above, or send a notarized letter to your bank that all withdrawals or deposits on account XXXXXX-XXXXXX are for credit on account or exchanged for lawful money in the form of Non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value. Send it Registered mail to your bank. Thank You! I've been looking into this for some time. I had a bit of a rough time with the IRS and want to be free of them, but I thought it wise to be square with them before starting this tactic. As of this years 1040, I'll be square. I want to start doing this immediately, but because of my past issues with the IRS, I definitely want to be sure I have recourse if and when they come after me again. I think I'll make a trip to my local IRS office and ask some questions about this technique. I will bookmark this thread and post whatever info (if any) I'm able to glean from the evil bastards. |
rken (OP) User ID: 1212151 Thailand 12/31/2010 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul How does one go about demanding lawful money (rather than federal reserve notes)? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708How to deal with the problem of direct deposit (since no actual deposit slip is used)? How does one prove their FRNs were converted to lawful money, thereby exempting the income tax? If one converts ALL their income for a year to lawful money, do they simply not file a 1040 or is there a form or forms they can file in lieu of the 1040 to be sure the IRS isn't going to come after them years later? People have been doing this since 1933 (actually, this has been an issue since the civil war), most of the time, they would just exchange the FRNs for US Bank Notes, but that changed in 1977. Now, the FRN serves as US Bank notes and the Bank does an accounting of all Lawful money transactions. As for the IRS, one could file for a full refund or, after a year of redeeming lawful money, do a ZERO withholding on the employers W-4. Then, when you file a 1040, you simply have ZERO taxable income, but you must redeem lawful money for a full year before doing that. The IRS has the right to contact you and you must provide your proof that you have been redeeming lawful money with your demands. As for direct deposit, change your signature card as directed above, or send a notarized letter to your bank that all withdrawals or deposits on account XXXXXX-XXXXXX are for credit on account or exchanged for lawful money in the form of Non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value. Send it Registered mail to your bank. Thanks for all your help. If everyone does this the FED is finished. rken |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1123488 United States 12/31/2010 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul so if you have tax witholding from working for someone else how do you go about getting 'lawful money' for that first year if the bank gives out nothing but federal reserve notes? By simply stamping that note on every paycheck? |