Just quit all this geopolitical psyop nonsense. The thread premise is on American poliitics, but obviously none of you, not even JJ, are Americans and all you guys want to do is for bad things to happen to Americans so some other world power gets a better advantage. It's not going to happen. In all countries more needs to be done to make things better domestically. That's where leaders and people should focus their attention on. Your clamoring for conflict is just going to get your asses kicked, make all things worse. If you took things in the real world as we know them at face value you would no way of arguing otherwise. China and Russia know this, so they resort to bad psyops. China knows its military is subpar and can't stand up to a consortium of East and West countries, and it also knows its economy is sinking and that other countries are going to replace it as the goto for cheaper labor and investment. The dialectic that was meant to happen with China will stop short much earlier than expected, which is better for everyone, and you'll just have to accept and learn from the fact that the only thing building China up to the status it started to be proud of was that the West needed another antagonist to play in moe dialectic schemes. Do you not understand it? That's the only reason why China is a world power, just as a fake an artificial one. You let it go to your heads, thought you could undermine the rules and procedure and now you fucked yourselves. It's mostly out of mercy that you're not in shambles right now. As for Russia, its the same thing, would be in shambles if not for mercy, and is basically a has-been following the dialectic with the Soviet Union whose days Putin is too nostalgic for to recognize where he really is in the present. All the psyops against the West to point to its "elite" agendas are in theory clever but downright silly given that Russia is more of a police state now than the US was under Bush. What good is all this China/Russia + BRICS nonsense in actually doing anything to Western elite when you're basically as bad as they are, in some was worse and when the latter is receeding due to homegrown efforts and not your own. Hence I point to the matter of interference and the exploitation of circumstances whereby insiders in the East want to take advantage. Hence I say how things can be taken for face value, because when you do the mental bullshit is besides the point and yet instead you'd rather take it to the extreme, making up more bullshit and fake threads, nonsense about astral lords or ET conglomerates, none of that is real in any sense as it has been described, and will never be applicable to the masses on either end of the globe. If you want something closer to the truth on that, remember why that even OP said that the US model was preferred, because there is a kind of integration here that is necessary for the world to remain intact. It's something that has to be seen in other places, US is just the start. Nationalism, ethnocentricism, xenophobia, anthropomorphism, the longer you promote them the longer it will take for real peace. If you're willing at all to entertain any ideas about expolitical interests then just accept why decisions and interests have been made as they are, because in all honesty there is no contesting them.