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M Gandhi, many views on religion

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'All Are God Given And True

I believe in the fundamental Truth of all great religions of the world. And I believe that if only we could, all of us, read the scriptures of the different Faiths from the stand-point of the followers of those faiths, we should find that they were at the bottom, all one and were all helpful to one another.' lol
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:judethe: Non of this has anything to do with Christanity.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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and judaism believes christianity has nothing to do with it either! get off your high horse! lol
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there are rabbinic jews that spit on the New Testament! lol
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and i mean literally spit on it! lol
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Yes don't drive cars. Don't fly planes. Christian race car drivers stop now. All Christian bus drivers stop now. You all will put lives in danger when you are raptured out of your vehicles. All Christian military pilots stop now. Lol. Yeshua is king.
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I think Judethz is in love with me

she's been sending me thousands of erotic telepathic messages for many months now

xmit
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Yes don't drive cars. Don't fly planes. Christian race car drivers stop now. All Christian bus drivers stop now. You all will put lives in danger when you are raptured out of your vehicles. All Christian military pilots stop now. Lol. Yeshua is king.
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hope judgment fines you naked! lol

and

hope Judgment finds you naked! lol
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Real Christians know we have to suffer like Jesus.
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I think Judethz is in love with me

she's been sending me thousands of erotic telepathic messages for many months now

xmit
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you too!!! Judethz, you got some explaining to do! lol
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And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


Why do rapturetards ignore revelations especially when you see Muslims coming. ?
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I think Judethz is in love with me

she's been sending me thousands of erotic telepathic messages for many months now

xmit
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you too!!! Judethz, you got some explaining to do! lol
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Real Christians know we have to suffer like Jesus.
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Jesus had His Passion, beyond that, He described His yoke as light! lol
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And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


Why do rapturetards ignore revelations especially when you see Muslims coming. ?
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Muslims believe in their own version of Judgment! G-d Bless them! lol
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Real Christians know we have to suffer like Jesus.
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Jesus had His Passion, beyond that, He described His yoke as light! lol
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light dark matter

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there are rabbinic jews that spit on the New Testament! lol
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judethe Sadly that is probably true.
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Sorry Judethz, there is no pretribulation rapture.
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flo6Az3 Well there wont be for you if you don't wake up while you are still blessed with a little time.
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Sorry Judethz, there is no pretribulation rapture.
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^^^ for Christ sake, don't piss judethz off! lol

its for our own good! lol

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Get ready for death now....
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Get ready for death now....
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Yep.

Any second now them faults are gonna snap.
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Sorry Judethz, there is no pretribulation rapture.
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:flo6::Az3: Well there wont be for you if you don't wake up while you are still blessed with a little time.
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Jesus must remain in heaven until the final restitution of ALL THINGS! Acts 3:18-21

Jesus must remain at the right hand of the Father until His enemies are His footstool. Psalm 110:1-2

You will be one of the 5 virgins looking for oil. Jesus understood what and how this modern day church would be thinking. He said that He is coming at a time we will not be expecting Him, and the majority of the church thinks He is coming back sooner, than later.
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Sorry Judethz, there is no pretribulation rapture.
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:flo6::Az3: Well there wont be for you if you don't wake up while you are still blessed with a little time.
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Jesus must remain in heaven until the final restitution of ALL THINGS! Acts 3:18-21

Jesus must remain at the right hand of the Father until His enemies are His footstool. Psalm 110:1-2

You will be one of the 5 virgins looking for oil. Jesus understood what and how this modern day church would be thinking. He said that He is coming at a time we will not be expecting Him, and the majority of the church thinks He is coming back sooner, than later.
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How about John 17:13-17
Jesus is praying that the church isn't removed from this earth.
Romans 11:7 Israel didn't obtain what we the ELECT obtained, very few of them will obtain it

Now go and read Matthew 24:29-31
1 Corinthians 10:13 Endure, overcometh......not taken away
Luke 21:36
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Real Christians know we have to suffer like Jesus.
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Jesus had His Passion, beyond that, He described His yoke as light! lol
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light dark matter

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w2/W4 implies an inverse relationship, any inverse relationship responds to equilibrium. depending on whether equilibrium has a value of 1 or 0, this relationship basis remains open ended. the posit is, if mass is lower than 2GeV, saturation of weak wimp would alter the w2/W4 inverse relationship, meaning instantaneous annihilation of wimps is somehow mitigated by a z-boson neutral, W4, to produce either an equilibrium at 1 or 0.

This quantum relationship must first be viewed in a post big bang where there was no containment of wimps and z-boson etc etc... this environment appears to
have been void of any field structures, meaning annihilation didn't exist as a change agent. the sub-particle world existed without altercations, frozen if you will in a absolute zero temperature environment of zero activity. this environment would constitues a equilibrium value of 0.

in this environment the disproportionate value of z-bosons to low value wimps having been established predicates a baseline for future discourse. this ratio baseline doesn't alter with the introduction of a catalyst. think
of this baseline environment potential as the initial form of dark energy/matter.

now, introduce a catalyst to this initial form of dark/energy matter. consider this catalyst to be a field. a field is injected into this absolute zero temperature environment of sub-particles. the empty field is a foreign injected into a structure of subatomic particles . its introduction creates space, immediately fracking/fractalizing the previously homogenous structure. a chain reaction of space replication occurs, this chain reaction of created space, separates the previously frozen inert subatomic particles from each other. the motion of separation ensues and dissipates an absolute zero temperature environment. the subatomic particles wake if you will, and a repelling or combining takes place. this separating space creates more space. the paradygm then changes from a equilibrium of 0 to an equilibrium of 1.

the creation of space and the dynamics of motion created by the introduction of space, induces/produces light from dormancy. the equilibrium of 1, seeking a new balance in infinitesimal fractals forming matter in infinite number of new ways. the formation of trapped matter is an innate reaction for the sub-particles to reform to their previous existence. the free wimps, positive antiparticles, and
negative antimatter particles continue to interact producing instantaneous annihilation chain reactions, aka change. the M4(z-bosons/force), act as buffers/absorbers for the constant annihilation between wimps as they provide the momentum for universal expansion. lol


what created space that made all things possible? G-d saying let there be light! lol
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Get ready for death now....
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idiot, probably took a selfie while feeling himself up!
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Get ready for death now....
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Yep.

Any second now them faults are gonna snap.
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wants to join 367 in his selfie!
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Get ready for death now....
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Yep.

Any second now them faults are gonna snap.
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wants to join 367 in his selfie!
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Matthew 23

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
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Get ready for death now....
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Yep.

Any second now them faults are gonna snap.
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wants to join 367 in his selfie!
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Matthew 23

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
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not impressed, looks like you shave your eyebrows. lol

got you pegged as a scripture quoting glp dweller! lol
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1.618 golden ratio, one eye fanatic, don't trust them! lol
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OP, you ever think you are wrong just like everyone else and Jesus is right when he said after the tribulation.

I'm going to go with what Christ said you can believe whatever you want.

I thought as a Christian your suppose to follow Christ not your own twisted interpretation
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You mean like here:

Mar 13:24-27 KJV But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, (25) And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. (26) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. (27) And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

The Gospel of Mark chapter 13 gives deep insight that the other gospels are not quite as clear about, on many issues that are constantly being 'guessed' for answers.

Mar 13:3-33 KJV And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, (4) Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? (5) And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: (6) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (7) And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet. (8) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows. (9) But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. (10) And the gospel must first be published among all nations. (11) But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. (12) Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. (13) And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. (14) But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: (15) And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: (16) And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. (17) But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! (18) And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. (19) For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. (20) And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. (21) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: (22) For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. (23) But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. (24) But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, (25) And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. (26) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. (27) And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. (28) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: (29) So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. (30) Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. (31) Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (32) But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (33) Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

All of the "ye" and "you" pronouns in that entire passage refer to Peter, James, John, and Andrew and no one else.

Sometimes one just has to work the pronouns to find their antecedent nouns to get better clarity.
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No one knows except the Father.

If you post pics of girlies with guns, how are you cleaning up your act?

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kitty Luk 22:35 ¶ And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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For your further edification:

Luk 22:35-38 KJV And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. (36) Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. (37) For I say unto you [apostles], that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. (38) And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

He concluded that two swords were enough. Apparently no need for 11 swords, 11 knives, nor 11 daggers. And he was speaking explicitly to those Apostles.
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The Bible couldn't be any more specific nor any more clearer about Yeshua returning AFTER the tribulation.

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Jesus Christ returns to earth at the Second Coming.
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I keep searching my KJV Bible for this phrase, "second coming" and you know what? It is not even there in the entire Bible. Not one time.

There are many different coming of the Lord. Peter speaks of one of them which some mistake for some Second Coming...

But then there is the certain and searchable phrase, "the sign of the son of man".

Mat 24:29-31 KJV Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is the gathering together unto the Lord in the air which Paul likewise speaks. Remembering the Epistle to the Thessalonians was given long before any of the other gospels.

And who are the Elect of Mat 24:29-31? Are they not at least the Apostles that Jesus was speaking to in that passage? He did elect those Apostles, hand picked. But the Elect are many more than just those Apostles.

Are those Apostles even now, Dead in Christ, asleep, awaiting the great sound of a trumpet?


"Immediately after the tribulation of those days" What specific days of tribulation was He speaking about? Check the context of Chapter 24 for starters. And follow the pronouns and what nouns they are actually referring to in that passage. Why are so many afraid of the pronouns in context?
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The Bible couldn't be any more specific nor any more clearer about Yeshua returning AFTER the tribulation.

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:flo6::Az3: I don't claim to know when the Rapture will take place. It could be today or it could be tomorrow. You don't know either, and you have also ignored what I keep saying about non of us being able to guarantee that we will still be drawing breath at this time tomorrow. IE: You are taking a big chance every day that you are not in right standing with the Lord, that you could die in your sins.

Or alternately that you will be left behind to face the Lords wrath that He will be pouring out upon the earth.

kitty As I said...


Do not listen to the liars who go on about a mid tribulation, or late tribulation rapture. The fact is that they don't know when it will be. Why take the risk?


THE RAPTURE COULD BE TODAY - Get right with the Lord while you are still blessed with a little time.
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Here is a WAY to know for CERTAIN when he comes


ONLY reply to this AFTER you have read it TWICE.

Because pre trib is BLOWN TO PEICES by this post.

There is NO WAY you can read this and then still say pre trib is correct.

I challenge one and all (Pre tribbers)to PROVE THIS POST WRONG!

Scriptures that prove the post trib rapture.


The first thing I will say is to prove the post trib rapture you only need to show two things in scripture (although I will do much more than that in this post) #1 that the 2nd coming is after the Tribulation, and #2 that the rapture is at the 2nd coming. (side note: the resurrection of the just is also at the post trib 2nd coming of Christ yet before the rapture this is important to know as we move on)

[snip]

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A well written thesis and a very challenging one indeed.

Although I have this of yours: "In verse 1 Paul is speaking of two events. the coming of the Lord or '' The second coming'' and the gathering together unto him or '' the resurrection of the just and or rapture''. In verse 3 we see that Paul says these two event happen on a singular day ''That day''. Also in verse 3 Paul writes that that day could not happen until after the falling away takes place and the anti christ is revealed. "

On guard! Paul makes absolutely no reference to any "anti-christ" in this nor any other of his epistles. Why can't people just use the terms the Bible uses? For that matter the only two books in the entire Bible that use that term "anti-christ" and they are both used by John in 1st and 2nd John.

What term of phrase Does Paul use there? Catch this:

2Th 2:3 KJV Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

This is ALL MANKIND that is unrepentant! All unrepentant of mankind is collectively "the Man of Sin", and collectively "the Student of Perdition".

And there 2nd Thess Two, Paul does not use the term "Second Coming" either. In fact in the KJV there is absolutely no place in the entire Bible -- Old or New Testament --- that uses that phrase, "Second Coming".

What does Paul use? "... the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him ..."

Paul also speaks of "the day of Christ" and in that chapter does not use the phrase "the day of the Lord"... with good reason if one can flesh it out.

Furthermore Paul does not use this phrase here either (with good reason): ''the resurrection of the just and or rapture'' Why interject that insertion even into such a discussion except to refute the usage of those phrases as being claimed as of Paul?

As to: 2Th 2:3 KJV Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

.. the phrase 'that day shall not come' is not explicitly stated in the Greek texts, it is an editorial comment by the translators to help aid in understanding (wrongly or rightly, yet to be determined). Literally from the Greek it would be more like "... for except ... " without all the elaboration of over zealous translators and their editors -- esp., that "that day" part.

As to the resurrection of the Just, well who is Just except those that looked forward to the coming of the Messiah even from the time of the giving of the so called promised seed of the woman in Genesis Three, through Noah, through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel, David, et.al.. and the prophets and all the old testament Saints... as well as the new testament saints (including we down to this very time). These Just ones are Just because they are Justified... these are those "dead in Christ" Paul speaks of in 1st Thess. Four.

Your presentation is one that I would like to keep however, to go over with a fine toothed comb.





GLP