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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72105668 United States 04/30/2016 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The whole basis of the rapture is to be saved, but that is a carnal fleshly desire. Quoting: Osmium76 Hebrews 9:7 And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. It matters NOT when you die, once you are dead if you belong to Christ, He will find your spirit as it belongs to him. Exactly. The pre-trib rapture cultist think they don't have to suffer death, they don't have to suffer torture from the anti-christ and also think they can avoid judgement day. Like they can judge themselves as "good enough" to go to heaven. Wouldn't it nice if we could all judge ourselves? Heaven sure would be crowded. . YES!! Luke 17:33 Whoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it, and whoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72093685 United States 04/30/2016 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37579514 :womanchild: You never asked that question, so why are you accusing me of dodging it? The answer is that these will be the people who turn to Jesus Christ after the rapture. Or they might be todays saints that are still around during the tribulation.The ones that managed not to be deceived,and fall away because the pre trib rapture fantasy never happened. Yep..thats what I'm betting. :9teen: You seem very unconcerned about your personal salvation. Lame... Rapture viewpoint isn't a salvation issue. Try again! |
MaybeTrollingU User ID: 72124043 Brazil 04/30/2016 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When will you people learn?!?!?!? There will NEVER, EVER be a rapture, not EVER! Just forget about it, its a false teaching and most likely the cause of "the great deception" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72044915 United States 04/30/2016 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It kind of horrifies me that Baptists push the pre trib 'rapture'. They are so on point about so many things yet they have welcomed an outrageous and unspeakably harmful false doctrine into their churches. It seems more like a doctrine you might find in a Pentecostal church. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72093685 United States 04/30/2016 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth? Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” (Luke 21:34- Quoting: Homegirl That's talking bout the day of the Lord,not pre tribulation rapture. Nice try though... :9teen: No it's not, you are spreading confusion. Nope. You just get nervous when others point out,that scripture doesn't support your dispensation delusions. Christians are promised protection from the day of the Lord and the lake of fire. Not the tribulation itself. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72093685 United States 04/30/2016 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :blinker: Like I said you seem very unconcerned about your personal salvation. Your blasé attitude comes through very clearly. Lol pre tribbers often have such an ego. If you don't buy into all the doctrines they do;you're obviously not in 'the club',and thus on your way to hell I'll be bigger man/woman then you,and leave your final judgement up to God I think ;) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71970924 United States 05/01/2016 12:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do not listen to the liars who go on about a mid tribulation, or late tribulation rapture. The fact is that they don't know when it will be. Why take the risk? Quoting: Judethz THE RAPTURE COULD BE TODAY - Get right with the Lord while you are still blessed with a little time. :bridea: Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Basically I think that there is only one correct answer to as to when it will happen and that is... today. Please Note that there are two classes of the blessed. Class I Those who are asleep in Christ. Class II Those who are alive in Christ. Now someone who is in Class I was obviously at some time in the past a member of Class II. Non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath at this time tomorrow. So this is not a matter that you can comfortably "put off". As is the common human tendency when faced with a decision. In fact putting it off is a decision in and of it's self. You might be blessed with a little more time, but don't count on it. The risks and consequences of dying in your sins are just to great. All of us are skating on thin ice. 1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Here is an interesting Chick illustrated tract on this very important subject.WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com] King James Bible But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father onl |
Agent of Light User ID: 71566312 Nigeria 05/01/2016 12:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It just so happens the Rapturists are the ones shouting Christ is here or there. Examples of this are given in Matthew 24:26. Scripture warns Saints NOT to believe them! Quoting: Osmium76 Why are you adding confusion? "It just so happens the Rapturists are the ones shouting Christ is here or there" I have said no such thing, nor have I noticed others making these claims. Great thread! Osmium76 doesn't understand the context of Mt. 24:26. That is why he is connecting it with his so-called Rapturists. I described the context in another thread: But as the 42 month period is about to end, the AC will put an end to sacrifice and offering in the Jerusalem temple, and put the temple to a diabolic use. And then, the authority of the AC expires and all hell is let loose against the AC and Israel. The kings of the North (Russia), South (Islamic confederacy) and East (China) will storm Israel in the greatest warfare ever. Quoting: Agent of Light Mt. 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place `the abomination that causes desolation’, [Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11] spoken of through the prophet Daniel — let the reader understand — Mt. 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Mt. 24:17 Let no-one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. Mt. 24:18 Let no-one in the field go back to get his cloak. Mt. 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Mt. 24:20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. Mt. 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequalled from the beginning of the world until now — and never to be equalled again. Mt. 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no-one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. It is around this time that Jesus will go to the Ancient of Days to receive authority, glory and sovereign power. His own authority over the world will not last for 42 months, like that of the AC, but forever. Mt. 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!’ or, `There he is!’ do not believe it. Mt. 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect — if that were possible. Mt. 24:25 See, I have told you ahead of time. Mt. 24:26 “So if anyone tells you, `There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, `Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. Mt. 24:27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Mt. 24:28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather. Mt. 24:29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “`the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ [Isaiah 13:10; 34:4] Mt. 24:30 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. Mt. 24:26 occurs during a time of great confusion in Israel. The time of the Antichrist has just been ended by the Battle of Armageddon. Everywhere is in disarray and the people of God know that the next thing should be the arrival of the messiah. Diehard supporters of the AC are still around and would like to kill as many Jewish believers in Christ as possible. So, they publish the ruse that Christ has arrived in the desert. Any Jewish believer who is ignorant of Jesus' warning concerning these false prophets and who goes into the place in the desert mentioned by the false prophets gets killed. Note that all these happen in Israel. |
Agent of Light User ID: 71566312 Nigeria 05/01/2016 12:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Weak doctrine for lukewarm Christians who want an easy out. Many will FALL AWAY when the rapture doesn't happen and they have to face persecution. So it is written.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37579514 Millions of Christians have been facing persecution since the very beginning. In recent years millions of Christians have been cruelly done to death in dozens of countries. Does that not count to you. Stop dodging the question. How are the elect here for the tribulation if we're supposedly already raptured away? You never asked that question, so why are you accusing me of dodging it? The answer is that these will be the people who turn to Jesus Christ after the rapture. If we're supposedly already raptured away? So, you are sure you are among the elects. The elects at the end of the age happen to be Israelites. |
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EAT User ID: 71420435 Canada 05/01/2016 01:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Tribulation is for Israel.... and for the unbelieving gentiles. Hold Spirit believers in Christ will be taken away first. After the rapture starts the time of Jacob's trouble. It's all about Israel! The church age, the age of grace, ends with the rapture. Then it is the age of Jacob's trouble. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72095643 Italy 05/01/2016 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :9teen: It's your soul, if you want to play stupid games and risk damnation then I cant stop you. There is no rapture. Damnation does not exist except thru the laws of attraction you cannot rise above your frequency. There is for those devoid of God however the 2nd death which is uncreation. You are no more. |
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Orthodox User ID: 33519783 United States 05/01/2016 06:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dudes dudes dudes. Quoting: EAT 71420435 The Tribulation is for Israel.... and for the unbelieving gentiles. Hold Spirit believers in Christ will be taken away first. After the rapture starts the time of Jacob's trouble. It's all about Israel! The church age, the age of grace, ends with the rapture. Then it is the age of Jacob's trouble. Hebrews 2:3 “how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71360404 Canada 05/01/2016 06:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Go look up the history behind the Rapture teachings. They didn't start till the 50's and you can thank one guy for pushing it. ALL of us are going to go thru Tribulation together. Its the ultimate test of all our faith in God. How we behave and what we do when things get bad is what we are going to be judged on. The wheat will be separated from the chalf. I know there is no way some of you are going to figure this out or want to figure this out. The last thing you want to be told is that you have to suffer through the Tribultion but I am sorry but that's what is going to happen. if you don't accept this now spiritually then you are going to have a ruff time with all of this. Take it to pray to the lord and ask him yourself to show you whats coming. All people are going to be very different when things go to hell so to speak. God does not plan on giving anybody a free ride. You must earn it first. I think a lot of people when faced with whats about to happen are going to blow it bad. That's why God is making us all go thru Tribulation. Nothing like a bunch of hardship to really see everybodys TRUE COLORS. |
Judethz (OP) User ID: 69883546 United Kingdom 05/01/2016 07:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It could be, or maybe not, we shall all just have to wait and see. But in the meantime I would remind you that the bible also says "1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep." Non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath this time tomorrow. So what do you think is going to happen to you if you should suddenly die while you are not right with the Lord? It's not something to joke about or take lightly. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71095100 Canada 05/01/2016 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | early christians thought the Lord Jesus would come back in their lifetime and end time Judgment would occur. i don't question their faith, but their understanding ands interpretation of what Jesus has said. human faculty for Divine reason is limited; as such we often inject our own desires into Scripture. lol unfortunately there is no cure for being human! lol |
Judethz (OP) User ID: 69883546 United Kingdom 05/01/2016 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | early christians thought the Lord Jesus would come back in their lifetime and end time Judgment would occur. i don't question their faith, but their understanding ands interpretation of what Jesus has said. human faculty for Divine reason is limited; as such we often inject our own desires into Scripture. lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71095100 unfortunately there is no cure for being human! lol Rev 6:9 ¶ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70332616 United States 05/01/2016 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do not listen to the liars who go on about a mid tribulation, or late tribulation rapture. The fact is that they don't know when it will be. Why take the risk? Quoting: Judethz THE RAPTURE COULD BE TODAY - Get right with the Lord while you are still blessed with a little time. :bridea: Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Basically I think that there is only one correct answer to as to when it will happen and that is... today. Please Note that there are two classes of the blessed. Class I Those who are asleep in Christ. Class II Those who are alive in Christ. Now someone who is in Class I was obviously at some time in the past a member of Class II. Non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath at this time tomorrow. So this is not a matter that you can comfortably "put off". As is the common human tendency when faced with a decision. In fact putting it off is a decision in and of it's self. You might be blessed with a little more time, but don't count on it. The risks and consequences of dying in your sins are just to great. All of us are skating on thin ice. 1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Here is an interesting Chick illustrated tract on this very important subject.WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com] TLDR. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72129023 United States 05/01/2016 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do people believe so much in a book that is pure fiction. What did people do 50, 000yrs ago when there was no religion. They lived, worked, hunted and died....they didnt need a fictional book to tell them how to live. Good grief people wake up and smell the coffee Quoting: Really 71330156 They knew instinctively how to connect to GOD within where the answer to EVERYTHING can be found. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72093685 United States 05/01/2016 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :Fuji::Hebrewcoin: It could be, or maybe not, we shall all just have to wait and see. But in the meantime I would remind you that the bible also says "1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep." Non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath this time tomorrow. So what do you think is going to happen to you if you should suddenly die while you are not right with the Lord? It's not something to joke about or take lightly. Theres another gaping hole in pre trib theology. Christians are raptured right after all the dead in Christ throughout the ages are resurrected. The dead in Christ will not be raised 7 years before the end. they will be raised at the end of the tribulation.right before the day of the Lord,when his wrath is rained down upon the remnant of unrepentant mankind |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59588789 United States 05/01/2016 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Where's the word rapture in the Bible. It isn't. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37579514 "If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 'splain to me how "the elect" are still here when it all hits the fan, if they were all supposedly raptured away. Weak doctrine for lukewarm Christians who want an easy out. Many will FALL AWAY when the rapture doesn't happen and they have to face persecution. So it is written.... The word 'rapture' is an English word, but there are no English words in the original Greek and Aramaic bibles. In the Greek bible, the word used is 'harpazo' which means to be snatched away. It suggests the one being snatched away has no say in the matter. That Greek word was translated into Latin as 'raptius.' And later translators translated that word into the English word 'rapture.' Our English bibles translate the Greek 'harpazo' into 'caught up' as seen in 2 Thessalonians 4:17. But you probably knew that already, didn't you? |