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Start running your car on water, now!
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Whatttt
User ID: 470658
7/19/2008 3:45 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
OP do you have any further info about this method?
I would love to try and build one.
Thanks!
you can email me at boy_aka_sha@Hotmail.com for information on how too build one for yourself.
Whatttt, have you even gotten a lawnmower to run like this? Post your info!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470615
Nope but ive a fuel cell on my car, and its raised my mpg by 50%
I'll take some pictures of it later and post them when ive got a bit of spare time.
My brother made a cool little blowtorch with it as well. And its running off just one fuel cell.
: theres always going too be arguments that say 'takes more energy then it puts out' but in my car, its running off my battery.. and my alternator charges that.. so its coming full circle.. get the idea?
Im not so sure about using it for other things.. but i know it works well on a car. |
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Queen 
User ID: 422489
7/19/2008 3:46 PM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470215
Oh wow what a site, you could get lost in it for days.
BIG THANKS
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470662
7/19/2008 3:51 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
there was an ad on tv just now. honda is selling a car that runs on water. It has a fuel cell.
the germans have a car that gts almost 300 miles per gallon of gas. they have had it for 6 years. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470615
7/19/2008 3:52 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
What happened to Stan Myers car? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440235
7/19/2008 3:52 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
 This is the most stupid and irresponsible thread I've seen on GLP since my 3 years of coming this site. And it is pinned!! Gah.  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 459981
7/19/2008 3:56 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
I don't know about mechanics much but Im kinda curious how hot that thing was burning compared to a welding torch or whatever welders use to fuse metal? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 459981
7/19/2008 3:57 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
This is the most stupid and irresponsible thread I've seen on GLP since my 3 years of coming this site. And it is pinned!! Gah.
Why do you think its irresponsible? |
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Evil Twin 
Forum Moderator
User ID: 470606
7/19/2008 4:00 PM
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ET try the oupower web site I posted.
For anyone that is wanting to get serious about this I suggest trying to find information about the Bob Boyce design.
[ link to waterfuelforall.com]
[ link to waterfuelforall.com]
I played with this stuff for about 3 years the big problem I've had is how to keep it from freezing in the winter.
I will check out that site. I've seen a bunch of Bob Boyce's stuff on youtube, he seems to be THE man with this stuff currently!
This is my helmet. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Gun control theory: Those who are willing to ignore the law and rights of others i.e. murder, robbery, rape etc. will obey a law which prohibits the posession of a firearm. |
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Queen
User ID: 422489
7/19/2008 4:05 PM
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ET try the oupower web site I posted.
For anyone that is wanting to get serious about this I suggest trying to find information about the Bob Boyce design.
[ link to waterfuelforall.com]
[ link to waterfuelforall.com]
I played with this stuff for about 3 years the big problem I've had is how to keep it from freezing in the winter.
Move south. <smile> climate is pretty nice around here.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470082
7/19/2008 4:05 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
This sounds all pretty cool. Maybe one day I will afford to drive!  |
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Queen
User ID: 422489
7/19/2008 4:13 PM
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I am so excited about this technology. It's only the start and the yahoos that can't get out of the "SUPERIOR" collegic standards are really being left behind.
If you think this is amazing, you should look into Sharry Edwards and her techniques on health. Sound techniques are very interesting.
[link to www.sharryedwards.com]
I've looked into this and there's something to it. I am in the process of working with autistic children and weight issues. It is in it's infancy but I'll let you know how it goes.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470670
7/19/2008 4:20 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
I've been experimenting with HHO technology for a few months now. I've been reluctant to make a generator for my vehicle because it's less than a year old and I don't want to deal with warranty issues.
BUT... I have an old 500w Honda Generator that I am able to run with a HHO fuel cell. Now all I have to do it get a bigger generator, a few solar panels and make a larger fuel cell and I should be able to live without help from the utility company. Or at least power half of my house.
There are so many plans on the internet so just start looking.
But basically, I got 23 stainless steel electrical outlet covers from lowes. I screwed them all together and put them inside a large piece of 6" PVC. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 469756
7/19/2008 4:21 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
ET try the oupower web site I posted.
For anyone that is wanting to get serious about this I suggest trying to find information about the Bob Boyce design.
[ link to waterfuelforall.com]
[ link to waterfuelforall.com]
I played with this stuff for about 3 years the big problem I've had is how to keep it from freezing in the winter.
Move south. <smile> climate is pretty nice around here.
If you saw our place here you wouldn't say that! |
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Queen
User ID: 422489
7/19/2008 4:23 PM
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Did anyone watch Mythbuster on putting out flames with "LOW" frequency sound. Here is something on the internet about sound and fire.
[link to technorati.com]
There is a connection
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 399680
7/19/2008 4:45 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
OK, it is common knowledge that it takes far more energy to create hydrogen and oxygen from water via electrolysis than you can recover in an internal combustion engine.
And it isn't even close, it's like 5 units of energy input for 1 unit recovered.
Here's a standard scientific explanation:
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
The laws of thermodynamics also say it is impossible to get as much energy from the engine as you expend seperating hydrogen and oxygen:
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
BUT, occasionally there are ways to cheat the universe out of free energy.
But they ALWAYS involve tapping into some resevoir of existing energy. Like petroleum is one such resevoir of energy. It contains stored energy so it doesn't take as much energy to simply pump it to the surface as you can recover burning it.
Burning cordwood releases stored solar and chemical energy in the wood etc.
What is the trick here? What is the resevoir of energy being exploited? Because it isn't water.
True Loose Canon but what is mostly never discussed is how inefficient internal combustion engines are to begin with, a good one maybe 30%. So you waste 70% of the potential energy of your primary fuel. What Hydrogen does or HHO if you prefer is cause your primary fuel to more completly combust releasing more energy. Think of it as a catalitic combustion. All the shills want you to add the energy when really you should be multiplying it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470675
7/19/2008 4:48 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
I've still not seen any real evidence these devices save fuel. For now, I will treat these as a scam until there is definitive proof it works.
This is just an internet rumor in my opinion. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 399680
7/19/2008 4:55 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
I've still not seen any real evidence these devices save fuel. For now, I will treat these as a scam until there is definitive proof it works.
This is just an internet rumor in my opinion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470675
You are dead wrong 47675, I have one in my van and I get 25% more milage on a regular basis, I know of some friends who get 50% and have seen a video of a guy getting 60%. This was dynometer tested and we lowered emmissions better than 50% too.
This works better on older cars without modern emmission controls. In newer cars you have to trick the mass flow and oxygen sensors for it to work well,otherwise the car will read the HHO as a wrong mix and lean it out causing you to burn more fuel. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 464164
7/19/2008 4:56 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Also google "Browns gas converters". It is the same technology and the kits are ready made. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 436143
7/19/2008 5:17 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
OP do you have any further info about this method?
I would love to try and build one.
Thanks!
you can email me at boy_aka_sha@Hotmail.com for information on how too build one for yourself. Quoting: Whatttt
PLease look for an email from me also. I will have my name mama on it. Thanks! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470687
7/19/2008 5:47 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
That's nothing. My car gets 60 miles to the thimble full on common garden variety pixie dust. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470689
7/19/2008 5:50 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Most of the increase in milage people are getting from these systems I would believe is because of the Water going into the cylinders ... ie: Water Injection
In the Wright Rotary Engines used on the BIG piston powered airplanes just after WW2 (C-97 Stratoliner etc.) Water Injection was utilized as a way to boost horsepower during high power demands parts of the flight (ie: takeoffs/go arounds etc.).
Water Injection as a power booster in an internal combustion engine WORKS. The reason it works is because the water expands to fill more volume (or conversely create more pressure) when it boils than the expansion with just air as it heats up during the explosion in the cylinder does.
I forget the exact amount of extra power Water Injection managed to get out of those already Turbo-Supercharged Wright Rotary Engines, but I believe it was in the 4% to 8% range, a significant power increase for takeoff, particularly in marginal length runway condtions.
The problem with Water Injection is that it is TOUGH on the engine.
It raises both pressure and heat inside the engine in addition to creating internal corrosion issues (of course metalurgy was not as advanced back then for engine materials as it is today). As I recall for the C-97's engines distilled water was the recommended type of water to use.
There is no reason why Water Injection would not work with today's modern engines IF they are either designed for it or their is enough excess strength and cooling capacity to handle the greater pressures and heat created AND you exclusively use very good quality distilled water. In fact I am surprised that one of the engine manufacturers hasn't at least put out some concept car engines that use this process.
Of course from an "in the field" perspective as sure as I am sitting here typing this some people are going to use cheaper tap water ... which is filled with all sorts of contaminants and minerals ... and ruin their engines in just a few thousand miles if a production vehicle with Water Injection into the engine was ever put into production
It would take an engineer to calculate out how much extra power Water Injection would generate for the same amount of gasoline used ... (ie: fuel milage increase instead of just using it to increase horsepower), but since the modern auto engine generally loafs along at only 20% to 30% of it's potential output power (an inefficient part of the power curve spectrum for any engine) I would not be surprised if one couldn't get a 15%-20% fuel milage increase, maybe as much as 25%+ in today's cars from using a Water Injection system.
Corrosion issues ... YEP they are going to creep in with milage, even with the new alloys used in the engines. For those Wright Engines water injection was limited to 5 minutes as I recall, with 3 being the typical cut off point (though a couple of flight engineers told me that was more related to excess engine heat building in the cylinders than anything else being overstressed). |
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Queen
User ID: 422489
7/19/2008 5:53 PM
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OP do you have any further info about this method?
I would love to try and build one.
Thanks!
you can email me at boy_aka_sha@Hotmail.com for information on how too build one for yourself.
PLease look for an email from me also. I will have my name mama on it. Thanks! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 436143
Got the email, thanks. There is just so much information coming to light it's hard to keep up with it all.
Thanks for those that have the intelligence to think outside the box. Remove the immaginary ceiling any you would be surprised at what you can do.
Remember stay focused amd ignore the naysayers. Stupidity just doesn't even need a response. Stay positive and just let the negative fall on the floor otherwise you become entangled in alot of trash.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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loosecannon
User ID: 470695
7/19/2008 6:08 PM
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True Loose Canon but what is mostly never discussed is how inefficient internal combustion engines are to begin with, a good one maybe 30%. So you waste 70% of the potential energy of your primary fuel. What Hydrogen does or HHO if you prefer is cause your primary fuel to more completly combust releasing more energy. Think of it as a catalitic combustion. All the shills want you to add the energy when really you should be multiplying it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 399680
Yes the internal combustion engine is hugely inneficient for three reasons and I believe thet are in this order:
1) They burn HOT, heat is an obvious waste of energy
2) they incompletely burn the fuel. Altho I think this has been improved remarkably in my lifetime
3) they feature a less than perfect arrangement for converting vector thrust into shaft horsepower. But again I believe that 100% of this energy loss is in the form of heat.
So what ya'll are suggesting is to add enough water to the combustion chamber to force a conversion of that water to steam thus running cooler and taking advantage of the increase in compression?
I met a guy 30 years ago doing the same thing by premixing a few % of alcohol and water with the gasoline entering the carb. He was using less than 10% alcohol and 1% water.
This however has absolutely nothing to do with electrolysis, so I am still a bit confused. I am also confused by two paradoxes. Gasoline engines are more efficient as they run warmer. And I dunno how flexible they are to changes in the compression ratio. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 430606
7/19/2008 6:11 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Open source the info free on the internet, detailed plans or else it's all a lie.
I would but i made mine by following the instructions out of a book, so i cant post it here and i dont have time too scan all the pages. I might eventually but im very busy at this moment in time.
But i assure you, its no lie. Im getting 20mpg more out of my corrolla after installing a fuel cell and my brother made a gas torch that will burn through a car engine. Quoting: Whatttt
What's the name of the book? |
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bubba
User ID: 470703
7/19/2008 6:29 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
A car running on water would be a boat. |
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Queen
User ID: 422489
7/19/2008 6:41 PM
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Another interesting piece of information I would love to have unravelled is Coral Castle and Ed Leedskalnin. It is about anti-gravity and wiring electronics to use magnetism.
[link to www.labyrinthina.com]
So much is being investigated, no telling where it will end. I visited Coral Castle in Homestead Fla two years ago. It is such an unusual tell, my young daughter was excited about going until we got there. Her comment was what part of castle did I misunderstand. The book is interesting and for those that think outside the box will enjoy reading it.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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Pollyannuh
User ID: 46877
7/19/2008 6:55 PM
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FYI, the OP is selling the info from Ireland, I believe it was. |
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Whatttt(OP)
User ID: 470729
7/19/2008 7:19 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
FYI, the OP is selling the info from Ireland, I believe it was. Quoting: Pollyannuh
I gave you the [link to www.oupower.com]
I cant give you the actual book ive gotten it from because it is a hardback physical book.
I do intend on scanning the important parts and -if- i can get the Authors permission i will put it up on the internet.
Since i cannot offer you the book i can tell you what i believe is the best book that is availible on the internet. (Its an e-book)
If you want too get your hands on the book i read, its called 'Electrolysis , Written by - Petrucci, S.'
It was printed in 1972 so its pretty easy to get im sure. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470675
7/19/2008 7:21 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
I've still not seen any real evidence these devices save fuel. For now, I will treat these as a scam until there is definitive proof it works.
This is just an internet rumor in my opinion.
You are dead wrong 47675, I have one in my van and I get 25% more milage on a regular basis, I know of some friends who get 50% and have seen a video of a guy getting 60%. This was dynometer tested and we lowered emmissions better than 50% too.
This works better on older cars without modern emmission controls. In newer cars you have to trick the mass flow and oxygen sensors for it to work well,otherwise the car will read the HHO as a wrong mix and lean it out causing you to burn more fuel. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 399680
Where is your evidence?
The burden of proof is on those who provide these "miracle" stories.
This is a scam. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470730
7/19/2008 7:22 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
when are you 'tarded children going to stop posting fantasy and post some evidence. It's not enough for you to panhandle your fellow citizens for welfare money to pay for your brain medicine, now you want to panhandle the universe itself for 'free' energy.
stop worrying about mooching stuff for free, and figure out if your miserable dead ass is capable of contributing anything of value to anyone.
my guess is 'no'.
Welfare leeches. |
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