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Start running your car on water, now!
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470734
7/19/2008 7:48 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
when are you 'tarded children going to stop posting fantasy and post some evidence. It's not enough for you to panhandle your fellow citizens for welfare money to pay for your brain medicine, now you want to panhandle the universe itself for 'free' energy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470730
Whos panhandling anyone for free welfare money? And how is this panhandling the universe?
There is sources of energy that are free. If your happy too sit there with a little box over your head whilst you pay ridiculous amounts of money too let the television panhandle your little mind then go ahead.
And if you are opposed too free energy and cheaper methods of extracting energy then your happy im sure too stand by while hundreds of thousands of people die in wars perpetrated over oil.
stop worrying about mooching stuff for free, and figure out if your miserable dead ass is capable of contributing anything of value to anyone. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470730
And what value do you contribute too society? Your not contributing anything too anyone by trying too ridicule and suppress information that is posted here. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470737
7/19/2008 7:52 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Open source the info free on the internet, detailed plans or else it's all a lie. Quoting: Ignatius J. Reilly 452961
All the patents of Stanley Meyer and other patents relevant to water combustion, engines and hydrogen cells regrouped in one PDF document easy to download. 895 pages, 525 Mb.
You can get it here:
[link to dl.treshaut.net]
and also here:
[link to dl.free.fr]
Also available here with even more information and videos:
[link to www.presselibreinternationale.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 461504
7/19/2008 8:10 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Hydrogen is only an energy carrier. It takes significant energy to make it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 469293
blow me |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 461504
7/19/2008 8:38 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
I've still not seen any real evidence these devices save fuel. For now, I will treat these as a scam until there is definitive proof it works.
This is just an internet rumor in my opinion.
You are dead wrong 47675, I have one in my van and I get 25% more milage on a regular basis, I know of some friends who get 50% and have seen a video of a guy getting 60%. This was dynometer tested and we lowered emmissions better than 50% too.
This works better on older cars without modern emmission controls. In newer cars you have to trick the mass flow and oxygen sensors for it to work well,otherwise the car will read the HHO as a wrong mix and lean it out causing you to burn more fuel.
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Where is your evidence?
The burden of proof is on those who provide these "miracle" stories.
This is a scam. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470675
Nobody fucking CARES about "evidence". They simply fix their cars and save $1000s on their gas bill. This they will do while you continue to pull your pud. Have a nice wank. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470739
7/19/2008 8:47 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
you'd better reconsider that. the planet is heating up, water is drying up everwhere. drought and famine are speeding up world wide, food shortages here in the US expected by Aug., reprots FOOD BANK. without water, you die, plants die, animals die...better use that water carefully. i cant even get clean water out of my tap now, and the city wont comment on why its cloudy and has odor. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470675
7/19/2008 8:52 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Open source the info free on the internet, detailed plans or else it's all a lie.
All the patents of Stanley Meyer and other patents relevant to water combustion, engines and hydrogen cells regrouped in one PDF document easy to download. 895 pages, 525 Mb.
You can get it here:
[ link to dl.treshaut.net]
and also here:
[ link to dl.free.fr]
Also available here with even more information and videos:
[ link to www.presselibreinternationale.com]
If the patents are so good, why hasn't a start up company in silicon valley gotten the ball rolling with a viable vehicle? Why hasn't the military used his patents? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470675
7/19/2008 8:55 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Nobody fucking CARES about "evidence". They simply fix their cars and save $1000s on their gas bill. This they will do while you continue to pull your pud. Have a nice wank. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 461504
Um....you people keep talking about the "miracles" and yet there is no proof that these miracles are taking place.
Sorry, but I can't take some poster's word that they are now getting 60mpg. Call me a cynic if you will, but I've seen enough scams to know this is fishy... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470734
7/19/2008 9:28 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Nobody fucking CARES about "evidence". They simply fix their cars and save $1000s on their gas bill. This they will do while you continue to pull your pud. Have a nice wank.
Um....you people keep talking about the "miracles" and yet there is no proof that these miracles are taking place.
Sorry, but I can't take some poster's word that they are now getting 60mpg. Call me a cynic if you will, but I've seen enough scams to know this is fishy... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470675
So your the kind of person that waits until they see it on Fox news.
Your the 'stupid' breed then.
fine and fancy, your opinion doesnt mean much on the bigger scale of things.
Im quite sure enough inteligent people will take this on board too such an extent that it will make a difference in society. Stupid people like yourself who seem too be oblivious too their ignorant scepticism will be getting the raw end of the stick.. funny thing is.. you actually think your coming out the winners.
Ohh the amusment on this forum is something else. |
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loosecannon 
User ID: 470783
7/19/2008 9:50 PM
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Hydrogen is only an energy carrier. It takes significant energy to make it.
blow me Quoting: Anonymous Coward 461504
Why don't you at least post an explanation of how the poster you quoted is wrong.
It does take considerable energy to extract hydrogen from water. That is indisputable.
So please try to actually address the topic seriously. If for no other purpose but to spread the word and educate people.
If all you have as a rational for what appear to be ridiculous claims is "blow me", then I doubt you have the sense to provide credible anecdotal evidence. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 390666
7/19/2008 10:01 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Whether or not somebody has produced a model for demonstration is not the point at this stage of the game. The fact that it's been shown to be scientifically feasible as an alternative to oil/gas is what's at stake here. Don't discourage people from experimenting. The government and big energy companies do a good enough job of that. I'd say the sky's the limit but make sure not to blow yourself up in the process :)
Good luck and God bless to all who are pressing new frontiers for energy and economic independence! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 390666
7/19/2008 10:05 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Um....you people keep talking about the "miracles" and yet there is no proof that these miracles are taking place.
Sorry, but I can't take some poster's word that they are now getting 60mpg. Call me a cynic if you will, but I've seen enough scams to know this is fishy... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470675
Sir,
If you want proof, here are a list of patents:
[link to www.waterfuelconverters.com]
Knock your socks off reading them. Maybe this will open your eyes. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470675
7/19/2008 10:06 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Nobody fucking CARES about "evidence". They simply fix their cars and save $1000s on their gas bill. This they will do while you continue to pull your pud. Have a nice wank.
Um....you people keep talking about the "miracles" and yet there is no proof that these miracles are taking place.
Sorry, but I can't take some poster's word that they are now getting 60mpg. Call me a cynic if you will, but I've seen enough scams to know this is fishy...
So your the kind of person that waits until they see it on Fox news.
Your the 'stupid' breed then.
fine and fancy, your opinion doesnt mean much on the bigger scale of things.
Im quite sure enough inteligent people will take this on board too such an extent that it will make a difference in society. Stupid people like yourself who seem too be oblivious too their ignorant scepticism will be getting the raw end of the stick.. funny thing is.. you actually think your coming out the winners.
Ohh the amusment on this forum is something else. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470734
You've not offered any proof. Just blind followship like the lemmings following Lord Bush.
I want to believe this is feasible, but science is not hard to prove. If this was a viable product, JC Whitney would have it in their catalog and venture capital wouldn't waste their time with electric cars, but water cars.... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 461504
7/19/2008 10:13 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Hydrogen is only an energy carrier. It takes significant energy to make it.
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blow me
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Why don't you at least post an explanation of how the poster you quoted is wrong.
It does take considerable energy to extract hydrogen from water. That is indisputable.
So please try to actually address the topic seriously. If for no other purpose but to spread the word and educate people.
If all you have as a rational for what appear to be ridiculous claims is "blow me", then I doubt you have the sense to provide credible anecdotal evidence. Quoting: loosecannon
""It takes considerable energy to extract hydrogen from water.""
------------------->Prove it.
("anecdotal" evidence don't count) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470675
7/19/2008 10:25 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Whether or not somebody has produced a model for demonstration is not the point at this stage of the game. The fact that it's been shown to be scientifically feasible as an alternative to oil/gas is what's at stake here. Don't discourage people from experimenting. The government and big energy companies do a good enough job of that. I'd say the sky's the limit but make sure not to blow yourself up in the process :)
Good luck and God bless to all who are pressing new frontiers for energy and economic independence! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 390666
As a skeptic I totally agree with this post. I hope they get the kinks worked out and have a profitable model within the next year.
I am just skeptical that this would work since its not been mass produced by a venture capital firm, NASA, or DOD. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 461504
7/19/2008 10:34 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
I am just skeptical that this would work since its not been mass produced by a venture capital firm, NASA, or DOD. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470675
You'd think Exxxon would invest in it too.  |
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Queen
User ID: 422489
7/19/2008 10:41 PM
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Open source the info free on the internet, detailed plans or else it's all a lie.
All the patents of Stanley Meyer and other patents relevant to water combustion, engines and hydrogen cells regrouped in one PDF document easy to download. 895 pages, 525 Mb.
You can get it here:
[ link to dl.treshaut.net]
and also here:
[ link to dl.free.fr]
Also available here with even more information and videos:
[ link to www.presselibreinternationale.com]
I'm afraid the white coats and collegic intellectuals have their brains fused shut. I've seen this stuff work, and these guys are very excited about it. It's just a shame that the guys that should know have hidden it.
This stuff is really interesting and more and more come to light every day.
I've checked all the links and have been forwarded to all that I know are working on it. They are now moving to magnetics and that to is an interesting topic.
I have to say that it's my fault that thess negative comments are showing up. I posted on another thread pointing to this one about how positive most of the post were. Look at the post prior to the timestamp on this thread and after and you will see the shrill posting increase.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
at the bottom of page 2 from queen.
Setup is sweet. Before 6:30 there we're a few negative comments, since 6:30 look at the negativity. People are responsible for their choices, make them wisely cause the negativity is trying to convince you to give up your free will. Good luck to you.
Those that thought I was crazy 2 years ago talking about this stuff now realizes that I was right, and they to are working and looking into it.
My daughter told me she ran into a proposal to tax these types of devices 1500 as year. I guess someone in the government thinks there's something to it.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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loosecannon
User ID: 470783
7/19/2008 11:52 PM
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Hydrogen is only an energy carrier. It takes significant energy to make it.
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blow me
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Why don't you at least post an explanation of how the poster you quoted is wrong.
It does take considerable energy to extract hydrogen from water. That is indisputable.
So please try to actually address the topic seriously. If for no other purpose but to spread the word and educate people.
If all you have as a rational for what appear to be ridiculous claims is "blow me", then I doubt you have the sense to provide credible anecdotal evidence.
""It takes considerable energy to extract hydrogen from water.""
------------------->Prove it.
("anecdotal" evidence don't count) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 461504
I already did twice.
The laws of thermodynamics prohibit any conversion of energy producing a net positive result, in fact it is always net negative with heat occuring as a byproduct that transfers energy away from the energy conversion:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
then there is electrolysis of water:
Electrolysis of water is the decomposition of water (H2O) into oxygen (O2) and hydrogen gas (H2) due to an electric current being passed through the water. This electrolytic process is used in some industrial applications when hydrogen is needed.
Decomposition of pure water into hydrogen and oxygen at standard temperature and pressure is not favorable in thermodynamical terms. This is because, E(cell)=E(Oxidation) + E(Reduction). If E(cell) < 0, reaction is not favorable.
Water electrolysis does not convert 100% of the electrical energy into the chemical energy of hydrogen.
The energy efficiency of water electrolysis varies widely with the numbers cited below on the optimistic side. Some report 50–70%[2], while the theoretical maximum efficiency of the electrolysis of water is between 80–94%.[3] These values refer only to the efficiency of converting electrical energy into hydrogen's chemical energy. The energy lost in generating the electricity is not included. For instance, when considering a power plant that converts the heat of nuclear reactions into hydrogen via electrolysis, the total efficiency may be closer to 30–45%.[4]
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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loosecannon
User ID: 470783
7/19/2008 11:56 PM
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So you put in 2.5 - 5 units of energy and you get 1 unit of energy back.
A losing proposition.
A genius, doctorate friend of mine describes the laws of thermodynamics like this:
>You can't win
>You can't break even
>you have to play |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 69144
7/19/2008 11:59 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
ShadowDance, we have like minds. Well done.
OP do you have any further info about this method?
I would love to try and build one.
Thanks!
I would contact and get the info if one wants it
Those in the know are onto it and have been working towards it but most know the risk from the moneygrubbers with 15 chins...
Stan Meyers was about to put plans out for about 1000$ for everyone. He was going to attempt 'open source' as much as he could-settled with a minimal amount...and then he died,QUICKLY...
He was offered millionsssss
he turned them down believing it was for the masses(tesla maneuver-sure to shorten ones life)Like Tesla wanted to open source Wireless and the power for all-basically freeeeeeeeee(free was free in those days...)
JP Morgan and his minions(rockefellar+)could not have that...and now everyone can pay $100-$$$1000s per month for this-
opensource,lol
even IT who want to opensource have to fight the gaTes or whomever,those who would make enormous profit for selling another program or another solution, the UltIMate...until they develop another product or another piece of toxic plastic
Stan Meyers is dead and of course it happened shortly before he was to bring it mainline
Others for many yrs have been threatened or have died-or others have accepted unbelievable payouts to sit on their inventions
Those oil cabal boys(enronnnn,shell,mobil,BP) and their great providers(cough, cough, cough) pesticide(monsaton,dupont,dow,)-food(Monsaton,dupont,mcdonal d)-
Pharma(Lilly,Merck,Phillip Morris,etc)-corporate whores of finance
food,meds,poisons,and fuel made by the same guys more often then not
RICO laws could they even apply????Mafia-strange how so many yrs ago they actually were recognized in many meetings-but no one was suppose to say it...like the illuminati
later many try and swear they do not exist-same as the illuminati...weird connections
rome-wow,how many connect these items when they are paying extra for every can they buy or every loaf of bread
those untaxed folks get everyone elses' taxes(built into the cost of everything you buy)via the purchase
google Stan Meyer and it will bring you alot of info on this kind of tech
just remember to keep it quiet except to 1-2 close folks once you get it to work for you(or copy the designs and give them out to many) Just remember to watch your back
or have close friends to help cover you
(do not claim leadership or,well, most already know) |
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Queen
User ID: 422489
7/20/2008 12:17 AM
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This is a 253 page document on the tax fuel for alternative energies. The issue is beind defined as tax evasion for road use since you won't be using as much gasoline energies for gas.
[link to onlinepubs.trb.org]
It is quite lengthy and has quite a number of white coats and educated individuals commenting on the issues.
I agree we should upkeep our roads, but isn't that income taxes takes care of. Besides to have to discuss this, it would appear that someone in higher places believe that this ability has an impact somewhere.
It works, hopefully more will be able to break through the limitations others want you to believe in. Just imagine where this is going to lead.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470828
7/20/2008 12:19 AM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Hydrogen is only an energy carrier. It takes significant energy to make it.
Bullshit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 357422
I second that - bullshit |
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Queen
User ID: 422489
7/20/2008 12:27 AM
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So you put in 2.5 - 5 units of energy and you get 1 unit of energy back.
A losing proposition.
A genius, doctorate friend of mine describes the laws of thermodynamics like this:
>You can't win
>You can't break even
>you have to play Quoting: loosecannon
Deal with thermodynamics, sounds great, but
At gas $4.00 a gallon,
water free
If you can make the 4.00 gallon of water perform as if you've paid 1.00 a gallon, without increasing pollution I'd say I'd try the water.
Of course I do it just because I don't like the deception that's gone on for so long. Automanufactures should have done this say 40 or 50 years ago. Look at how much further ahead we would be, but all they could do is argue about the Law of Thermodynamics". Words are cheap, action creates a better future. Ask Bill Gates, IBM didn't believe him either.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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Queen
User ID: 422489
7/20/2008 12:32 AM
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Hydrogen is only an energy carrier. It takes significant energy to make it.
Bullshit.
I second that - bullshit Quoting: Anonymous Coward 470828
How odd, your id does not show up in the search engine. This thread doesn't even appear. How ODD?
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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loosecannon
User ID: 470833
7/20/2008 12:40 AM
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So you put in 2.5 - 5 units of energy and you get 1 unit of energy back.
A losing proposition.
A genius, doctorate friend of mine describes the laws of thermodynamics like this:
>You can't win
>You can't break even
>you have to play
Deal with thermodynamics, sounds great, but
At gas $4.00 a gallon,
water free
If you can make the 4.00 gallon of water perform as if you've paid 1.00 a gallon, without increasing pollution I'd say I'd try the water.
Of course I do it just because I don't like the deception that's gone on for so long. Automanufactures should have done this say 40 or 50 years ago. Look at how much further ahead we would be, but all they could do is argue about the Law of Thermodynamics". Words are cheap, action creates a better future. Ask Bill Gates, IBM didn't believe him either. Quoting: Queen
Use the water, I don't care. I am just trying to find out how this works.
The water injection idea is easy enough to understand and 50 years old.
But it has nothing at all to do with electrolysis. And several folks here are talking about electrolysis without offering any explanations. |
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Old School.
User ID: 470836
7/20/2008 12:57 AM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Why don't you at least post an explanation of how the poster you quoted is wrong.
It does take considerable energy to extract hydrogen from water. That is indisputable.
So please try to actually address the topic seriously. If for no other purpose but to spread the word and educate people.
If all you have as a rational for what appear to be ridiculous claims is "blow me", then I doubt you have the sense to provide credible anecdotal evidence.
It is Obvious you are on their side(TPTB, Money Grubbers)
There have been Many Devices and Technoliges that HAVE Been Proven and PULLED from the Market Place.
One such item is The BURK 2 Stroke Engine. Have you Herd of it.
It was 95%+ fuel effecient and the Gvt OUTLAWED IT. |
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Queen
User ID: 422489
7/20/2008 1:10 AM
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Use the water, I don't care. I am just trying to find out how this works.
The water injection idea is easy enough to understand and 50 years old.
But it has nothing at all to do with electrolysis. And several folks here are talking about electrolysis without offering any explanations. Quoting: loosecannon
Sadly to say, those that are trying this are more on the mechanics of how it works instead of the theories on why it works. The why's would be nice to know, but with the current situation of finding a solution, get it working and then look back and evaluate the why's.
I don't know about engineering so I can offer no explainations, I just wish those that do have training would drop their existing paradygm and look outside the box. The stuff is working, just because it goes against all you've been taught. Electrolysis has been around for the 40 to 50 years, do you really believe that these backyard guys have figured out something that require a mental genius to figure out. No, it takes initiative, vision, and determination to think outside the box and arrive at solutions that help others.
There is no great money in this process, but there is a value in each person to try to help others and curtail the corruption that has been going on for so long. The individuals that have worked at this and provided the information free of charge are gaining respect from those of us that recognize their intelligence, vision, honor, devotion, dignity, esteem and self sacrifice. These individuals have surpassed some of the most wealthy individuals I've known. My prayer is that they will receive the rewards for the efforts they have diligently worked toward.
Anyone, whom can only want answers to thermodynamics, chemical modalities, analysis of cause and effect without placing efforts into evaluating results and offering feedback are in effect no greater that the white coats that have allowed this to go undetected and under evaluated for so long.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 470740
7/20/2008 1:29 AM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Hydrogen is only an energy carrier. It takes significant energy to make it.
blow me Quoting: Anonymous Coward 461504
Ummm, how much energy does it take to MAKE Hydrogen? How does one do that, anyway? |
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Pasargada
User ID: 470856
7/20/2008 1:56 AM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Whattt
And during winter? The water is going to freeze?
Thanks for the post, Pasargada. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 469020
7/20/2008 2:07 AM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
what do you need to brake a glass without any physical contact? Hit it with right frequency!
you can brake strong molecular bonds too with little power.
there shall be other ways. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 469020
7/20/2008 2:09 AM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
what do you need to brake a glass without any physical contact? Hit it with right frequency!
you can brake strong molecular bonds too with little power.
there shall be other ways. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 469020
Imagination is the key. Not an academic degree. |
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