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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 465089
7/20/2008 9:22 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
I don't know if anyone posted this here before but, anyway,
in June 13 a Japanese company (Genepax) presented a car that runs ONLY on water,
[ link to www.reuters.com]
and 12 days later a professor from London said that the Genepax claim was NOT possble
[ link to www.reuters.com]
we could be close to a complete revolution on this (very important) area of technology.
And then watch them start outlawing the collection of rainwater, from your roof. Or, as the other poster said, taxing you 1,500 dollars (or more) a year, just to use the roads. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 465089
7/20/2008 9:29 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Quote:
"My daughter told me she ran into a proposal to tax these types of devices 1500 as year. I guess someone in the government thinks there's something to it."
How the fuck do we EVER shake off these motherfucking parisitical LEECHES, government and mega-cartels??
Do you think for one second that the founders of this nation ever intended ANY of what this sick, putrid, disgusting, perverted, corrupted, scum-sucking government has turned into?
It is WAYYYYY past time for an armed revolution in this cesspool of greed and corruption called Amerika!!!
NO, that is what they want. They need a reason for martial law, because they don't want the rest to wake up. To many executive orders are in place, it is way pass time for that. Today you need to get this information out, just quit responding to the negative, let it stand for others to see.
STAY POSITIVE. Perform positive actions, get all the information in this thread out, This thread has some very interesting topics.
Water fuel cell,
Healing with sound
Fire and sound.
This crowd of people can change the dynamics, but you cannot do it under martial law, the internet would be one of the first to go.
Ignore the negative, let it fall on the floor, step over it and keep moving. Quoting: Queen
Uhhhh... No.
THAT is what they want. For you to continue doing what hasn't and never WILL work. Which is... NOTHING.
The founders believed that a revolution from time to time (armed if necessary), was a GOOD thing.
"The tree of liberty must be watered from time to time, with the blood of tyrants and patriots."
Martial law?? I don't recognize the authority of such a "government", and therefore view it as something to be opposed and defeated. If Martial law is instituted, it must be vigorously and aggressively DESTROYED. And yes, MANY lives will be lost.
But guess what, Pollyanna...
Freedom isn't free! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 465089
7/20/2008 9:34 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
 The Bismarck will weigh in soon! Then there will really be something to talk about. With Guns as Big as Steers and shells as Big as Trees!
Odd I looked up Bismack and it was identified as a NAZI war ship.
[ link to militaryhistory.about.com]
Are you trying to say something or just trying to gain a little FEAR. I thank you for your comment, but I prefer a NO FEAR direction. Work in the positive and let the negative collapse on it's own. They seem to be doing a great job or themselves. The show by the way is quite comical, Laural and Hardy couldn't have done it this well.
Wow... you really ARE naive... LOL.
Kinda goofy, too. |
| Queen 
User ID: 422489
7/20/2008 9:38 PM
 | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Quote:
"My daughter told me she ran into a proposal to tax these types of devices 1500 as year. I guess someone in the government thinks there's something to it."
How the fuck do we EVER shake off these motherfucking parisitical LEECHES, government and mega-cartels??
Do you think for one second that the founders of this nation ever intended ANY of what this sick, putrid, disgusting, perverted, corrupted, scum-sucking government has turned into?
It is WAYYYYY past time for an armed revolution in this cesspool of greed and corruption called Amerika!!!
NO, that is what they want. They need a reason for martial law, because they don't want the rest to wake up. To many executive orders are in place, it is way pass time for that. Today you need to get this information out, just quit responding to the negative, let it stand for others to see.
STAY POSITIVE. Perform positive actions, get all the information in this thread out, This thread has some very interesting topics.
Water fuel cell,
Healing with sound
Fire and sound.
This crowd of people can change the dynamics, but you cannot do it under martial law, the internet would be one of the first to go.
Ignore the negative, let it fall on the floor, step over it and keep moving.
Uhhhh... No.
THAT is what they want. For you to continue doing what hasn't and never WILL work. Which is... NOTHING.
The founders believed that a revolution from time to time (armed if necessary), was a GOOD thing.
"The tree of liberty must be watered from time to time, with the blood of tyrants and patriots."
Martial law?? I don't recognize the authority of such a "government", and therefore view it as something to be opposed and defeated. If Martial law is instituted, it must be vigorously and aggressively DESTROYED. And yes, MANY lives will be lost.
But guess what, Pollyanna...
Freedom isn't free! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 465089
This document is about taxation on road use due to alternative energies. It appears that the someone believes there will ultimately be a problem.
This is a 253 page document on the tax fuel for alternative energies. The issue is beind defined as tax evasion for road use since you won't be using as much gasoline energies for gas.
[ link to onlinepubs.trb.org]
It is quite lengthy and has quite a number of white coats and educated individuals commenting on the issues.
I agree we should upkeep our roads, but isn't that income taxes takes care of. Besides to have to discuss this, it would appear that someone in higher places believe that this ability has an impact somewhere.
It works, hopefully more will be able to break through the limitations others want you to believe in. Just imagine where this is going to lead.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
| Queen
User ID: 422489
7/20/2008 9:41 PM
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The Bismarck will weigh in soon! Then there will really be something to talk about. With Guns as Big as Steers and shells as Big as Trees!
Odd I looked up Bismack and it was identified as a NAZI war ship.
[ link to militaryhistory.about.com]
Are you trying to say something or just trying to gain a little FEAR. I thank you for your comment, but I prefer a NO FEAR direction. Work in the positive and let the negative collapse on it's own. They seem to be doing a great job or themselves. The show by the way is quite comical, Laural and Hardy couldn't have done it this well.
Wow... you really ARE naive... LOL.
Kinda goofy, too.
Thanks,
Goofy is my favorite joke,
Why was Mickey Mouse divorcing Miney Mouse? She was F()*#$ goofy.
Yep, that's me. Of course you have no idea of my history or my purpose and I just hope you listen. The story is long and very interesting.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
| Prof_Rabbit
User ID: 148352
7/20/2008 11:47 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
I would just like to point out that HHO hybrids generally increase your fuel economy for little or no cost, to run a car entirely on HHO requires some design changes, not that design changes are impossible, just unlikely.
I have yet to see HHO added to a rotary engine, my guess is the overall improvement would be greater than for a piston engine.
Meanwhile, with a few simple items you can try this for yourself, why not give yourself a project and see if it helps you?
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471126
7/21/2008 12:05 AM | | Whee! 8D
User ID: 470660
7/21/2008 1:38 AM
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Hydrogen is only an energy carrier. It takes significant energy to make it.
blow me
Why don't you at least post an explanation of how the poster you quoted is wrong.
It does take considerable energy to extract hydrogen from water. That is indisputable.
So please try to actually address the topic seriously. If for no other purpose but to spread the word and educate people.
If all you have as a rational for what appear to be ridiculous claims is "blow me", then I doubt you have the sense to provide credible anecdotal evidence.
Ther is evidence from imformation all OVER this thread to prove that hydrogen can be obtained from water in a way that gives more energy than is used. It is up to you whether you beleive it or not.
If you need more proof, google Denny Klein and John Kanzius. Then google water powered car and see the 2 vehicles currently running in Japan on water power.
Here's a quote from Denny Klein's website.
“The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.”
– Chinese Proverb Quoting: Anonymous Coward 357422
You have to find the right frequency for the current I think.
Scorpios, report here! [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Without proofs, anything can be True or False.
There is no such thing as good or bad. There are only perceptions and too narrow views of things that prevent us from understanding how everything has a rightful purpose
Number of people who tried to insult me using my TP avatar :11 (Punisher x5) <= People should maybe actually learn to read?
For those who can't figure out that not everyone in this world is born in areas where the main spoken language is english, my first language is not english. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471326
7/21/2008 8:23 AM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471361
7/21/2008 10:31 AM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 471126
One more, has a working demo of running engine on just water!
[link to tech.groups.yahoo.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 399680
7/28/2008 5:54 PM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
So you put in 2.5 - 5 units of energy and you get 1 unit of energy back.
A losing proposition.
A genius, doctorate friend of mine describes the laws of thermodynamics like this:
>You can't win
>You can't break even
>you have to play Quoting: loosecannon
Loose canon who do you work for Exxon, you are a shill or an over educated idiot. This has nothing to do with the second law of thermodynamics.
In the early eighties George Vosper P. Eng., ex-professor of Dynamics and Canadian inventor, designed and patented a device to transform internal combustion engines to run on hydrogen. He later affirms: "A small amount of
hydrogen added to the air intake of a gasoline engine would enhance the flame velocity and thus permit the engine to operate with leaner air to gasoline mixture than otherwise possible. The result, far less pollution with more power
and better mileage." In 1995, Wagner, Jamal and Wyszynski, at the Birmingham, of University Engineering, Mechanical and Manufacturing>, demonstrated the advantages of "Fractional addition of hydrogen to internal combustion engines by exhaust gas fuel reforming." The process yielded benefits in improved combustion stability and reduced nitrogen oxides and hydrocarbon emissions. Roy MacAlister, PE of the American Hydrogen Association states the "Use of
mixtures of hydrogen in small quantities and conventional fuels offers significant reductions in exhaust emissions" and that "Using hydrogen as a combustion stimulant it is possible for other fuels to meet future requirements
for lower exhaust emissions in California and an increasing number of additionalstates. Relatively small amounts of hydrogen can dramatically increase
horsepower and reduce exhaust emissions." At the HYPOTHESIS Conference, University of Cassino, Italy, June 26-29, 1995, a group of scientists from the University of Birmingham, UK, presented a study about hydrogen as a fraction of the fuel. In the abstract of that study it stated: "Hydrogen, when used as a fractional additive at extreme lean engine
operation, yields benefits in improved combustion stability and reduced nitrogen oxides and hydrocarbon emissions."
In theSpring of 1997, at an international conference held by the University of Calgary, a team of scientists representing the Department of Energy Engineering,
Zhejiang University, China, presented a mathematical model for the process of formation and restraint of toxic emissions in hydrogen-gasoline mixture fueled
engines. Using the theory of chemical dynamics of combustion, the group elaborated an explanation of the mechanism of forming toxic emissions in spark
ignition engines. The results of their experimental investigation conclude that because of the characteristics of hydrogen, the mixture can rapidly burn in
hydrogen-gasoline mixture fueled engines, thus toxic emissions are restrained. These studies and other research on hydrogen as a fuel supplement generated big
efforts in trying to develop practical systems to enhance internal combustion engine performance. A few of them materialized in patented devices that didn't reach the level of performance, safety or feasibility that would allow them to reach marketing stages.
California Environmental Engineering (CEE) has tested this technology and found reduction on all exhaust emissions. They subsequently stated: "CEE feels that the result of this test verifies that this technology is a viable source for reducing emissions and fuel consumption on large diesel engines." the AmericanHydrogen Association Test Lab tested this technology and proved that: "Emissions test results indicate that a decrease of toxic emissions was realized." Again, zero emissions were observed on CO. Northern Alberta Institute of Technology. Vehicle subjected to dynamometer loading in controlled conditions showed drastic reduction of emissions and improved horsepower with significant
increase in mileage with respect to the Gas Advance System.
Corrections Canada tested several systems and concluded, "The hydrogen system is a valuable tool in helping Corrections Canada meet the overall Green Plan by:
reducing vehicle emissions down to an acceptable level and meeting the stringent emissions standard set out by California and British Columbia; reducing the amount of fuel consumed by increased mileage."Additionally, their analysis pointed out that this solution is the most cost
effective. For their research they granted the C.S.C. Environmental Award. We also conducted extensive testing in order to prove reliability and determine safety and performance of the components and the entire system. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 464514
7/29/2008 5:30 AM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
love this thread
*bump |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 417517
7/29/2008 9:19 AM | | Re: Start running your car on water, now! | Quote |
This site [link to www.oupower.com]
You could get loads of generators hooked up to run on hydrogen, then make your own fuel to run the generators you could even use solar power to make the fuel. |
| Queen
User ID: 422489
8/1/2008 2:28 AM
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Since this thread, gas has been on the decline. Everytime I hear that gas prices are heading downward, I thing of this thread. The only way thing that will make people realize that they do not need gas is when it hits something dear to you, YOUR WALLET.
Don't be manipulated, look into this information. Get informed and help yourself and others you care for. Spread the word if you do not have the drive to do it yourself.
GET PEOPLE INFORMED, that's the way changes are made. Changing the 'we can't do it' mindset to one that says 'get out of my way so I can fix the problem'. I am a 'CAN' type of person, I win. Once you get to that point, now YOUR game begins, the old game ends.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
| Queen
User ID: 422489
8/1/2008 2:56 AM
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Blast from the past July 19, 2008 (Beginning date of this post)
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Gasoline has hit record levels - and experts say it will likely continue to soar in tandem with the skyrocketing price of crude.
The national average retail price for gas has risen about 30 cents in the past month to $3.279 a gallon, exceeding the all-time high set last year, according to the motorist organization AAA.
And experts say motorists should prepare to pay nearly $4 a gallon - and in some places even more than that - before the price of gas finally comes down in the late spring as high prices crimp demand.
The price of gasoline usually increases this time of year. Several factors contribute to the runup: Low refinery output due to maintenance, a switch from winter to pricier summer blends, and the looming high-demand summer driving season.
Now it is the end of July, price of oil has come down dramatically, some decrease in gas prices and Exxon has the largest second quarter profits in history. Could it be that alot of blogs are talking about this and little mr. exxon is getting a little scared. YOU CAN INCREASE GAS MILEAGE WITH THESE DEVICES. It should be obvious that they pushed prices up to quickly and people didn't adjust well. They will lower them until you become comfortable with the prices, then they increase again.
Ask yourself, are you going to continue to be a part of their created problem, or are you going to find the strength to determine your own successes. Try it on a lawn mower, dirt bike, moped, go cart. When you realize that it works then try it on the car.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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