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NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509564
10/10/2008 9:17 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Actually I live in Katy TX, just west of Houston. Very affluent. And yeah, I was just as idealistic and doe eyed as you right out of college, with friends from every walk of life, race and nationality I wanted this united world. Then they came to live here and I got a first hand look and then this community changed and crime has become a way of life and it changed me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 358376
3000 sqft home and it cost 165K in 2004 affluent? You got to be kidding. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 413608
10/10/2008 9:17 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
The thought that class plays by far a major factor in crime than race is something you never even considered. Quoting: ATTC |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 413608
10/10/2008 9:18 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Actually I live in Katy TX, just west of Houston. Very affluent. And yeah, I was just as idealistic and doe eyed as you right out of college, with friends from every walk of life, race and nationality I wanted this united world. Then they came to live here and I got a first hand look and then this community changed and crime has become a way of life and it changed me.
3000 sqft home and it cost 165K in 2004 affluent? You got to be kidding. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 509564
you could but a dump for 300.000 here. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 508279
10/10/2008 9:19 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
obama doesn't need racists to vote for him. he'll win without the votes. Quoting: Alpha Female
Yup
He has got the dead vote,the felon vote and even some cats and dogs. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 413608
10/10/2008 9:19 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
I have enjoyed this tread, I think we finally chased the lower conciseness away..... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 408277
10/10/2008 9:19 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Problem is that you see the world through black and white glasses.
There are more factors in life besides race. The Katrina refugees were more than just black. The reason why they were refugees was because of where they ranked in terms of the socioeconomic ladder. The less affluent people were more than likely to stay behind.
Unsurprisingly the less affluent people are the more there is correlation with levels of education and crime. Obviously the people who are more broke feel they have less to lose by criminal actions and furthermore put less thought into it. Also less likely to have guidance that would prevent them from doing so.
But the problem when you see life in terms of black and white, all you see is black people committing crime. You use that as confirmation bias that you already have that blacks are criminals.
The thought that class plays by far a major factor in crime than race is something you never even considered. Quoting: ATTC
Thats the archetypal white liberal guilt-edged response. All ethnic races face adversity and obstacles in a white-majority society but where others seem to advance through work and effort, african americans seem to be stuck in a cycle of blaming everyone but themselves.
Sometimes you have to take responsibility for yourself regardless of circumstances. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 521468
10/10/2008 9:20 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Most serial killers are white males...does that mean all white guys are evil too? NO, I think not! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516415
10/10/2008 9:20 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
I don't know how the cocaine thing fits into the Katrina refugee influx and the rise of Houston crime but ok! I never said we had no crime, I said it rose with the arrival of these people but go ahead, change the subject. I speak the truth, and it isn't always pretty, whether some of you like it or not.
I'm not 'white-guilted' into feeling like I owe the black race anything at all, esp. not a free pass to the presidency.
Problem is that you see the world through black and white glasses.
There are more factors in life besides race. The Katrina refugees were more than just black. The reason why they were refugees was because of where they ranked in terms of the socioeconomic ladder. The less affluent people were more than likely to stay behind.
Unsurprisingly the less affluent people are the more there is correlation with levels of education and crime. Obviously the people who are more broke feel they have less to lose by criminal actions and furthermore put less thought into it. Also less likely to have guidance that would prevent them from doing so.
But the problem when you see life in terms of black and white, all you see is black people committing crime. You use that as confirmation bias that you already have that blacks are criminals.
The thought that class plays by far a major factor in crime than race is something you never even considered. Quoting: ATTC
Take a look at the crime stats.
I have been poor all my life but i have RESPECT for other people and their property.crime is the easy option ,easier than a days HONEST GRAFT. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 358376 (OP)
10/10/2008 9:21 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Problem is that you see the world through black and white glasses.
There are more factors in life besides race. The Katrina refugees were more than just black. The reason why they were refugees was because of where they ranked in terms of the socioeconomic ladder. The less affluent people were more than likely to stay behind.
Unsurprisingly the less affluent people are the more there is correlation with levels of education and crime. Obviously the people who are more broke feel they have less to lose by criminal actions and furthermore put less thought into it. Also less likely to have guidance that would prevent them from doing so.
But the problem when you see life in terms of black and white, all you see is black people committing crime. You use that as confirmation bias that you already have that blacks are criminals.
The thought that class plays by far a major factor in crime than race is something you never even considered.
Thats the archetypal white liberal guilt-edged response. All ethnic races face adversity and obstacles in a white-majority society but where others seem to advance through work and effort, african americans seem to be stuck in a cycle of blaming everyone but themselves.
Sometimes you have to take responsibility for yourself regardless of circumstances. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 408277
thank you!! finally some substance! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 358376 (OP)
10/10/2008 9:22 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
I have enjoyed this tread, I think we finally chased the lower conciseness away..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 413608
That's ok, I went through my new agey phase a few years ago. Now i'm in my REALIST phase... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 522978
10/10/2008 9:22 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
You must be one of those fat trailer trash ladies with low self esteem that can only find black males to screw them, knock them up and leave them. I've met my fair share here in Houston. Gross...
white woman who love black men are looking for a mentally and physically stronger man.
your stereotypes are pathetic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 413608
Mentally and physically stronger mooches and pimps best I can tell--the fat bleached trailer/biker lookin chicks with the picaninny kids, with or without her buck standing there, is almost always buying the groceries with a state foodstamp card that I paid for and she pooped out an obama-colored baby to get. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 322321
10/10/2008 9:23 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Is that a racist thing to say? Maybe. But it's the honest truth.
My middle class neighborhood has become a haven for blacks. I live in a home that's 3000 sq ft and cost 165K, so homes in my area are similar in size and price. When I moved in back in 2004 the are was mostly white, with some Hispanic people but all lived well together and was peaceful, children always playing outside, young families living here, park full of moms with their strollers, then fast forward to Hurricane Katrina and the influx of hundreds of thousands of blacks into Houston (which now looks like Chicago in the 90s, thank you very much) and now my neighborhood is at least 50% black. No more kids out in the streets (parents too scared to let them out now), black teens walking around in groups at all hours of the day and night, talking and cursing loudly or grown men hanging out on their driveways all day with their garage door open (hello people you have backyards now, you're not in an apartment anymore) and their 3 yr old toddling down the street alone while dad talks loudly on his cell phone. Don't these people ever work? I can't believe they don't work and yet they live in these homes and drive Lexus and Infinity cars. We bust our butts working and paying mortgage, health insurance, gas, groceries and the high taxes of Suburbia for our children to live better yet these people come live here and ruin our neighborhoods, on our dime?? WTF?
They're living 2-3 families per home and the worst part is they are living here in these big houses and they don't even have any furniture!! Talk about living beyond your means! They don't last long in the homes but the next inhabitants will also be black. Ugh... And yes, crime has gone up (our car was broken into TWICE on our own driveway in a matter of hours), whites and hispanics are moving out and i'm left in this beautiful neighborhood full of black people leasing and not paying taxes yet sending their 5 children to school with my kids. Hmmm... oh yeah I'm not looking forward to an Obama presidency. Thanks, but no thanks. I went from not caring about race to being wary of blacks. It sucks but that's Houston post-Katrina for you. I'd hate to see America, post-Obama. Can you say riots? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 358376
OP , Houston has never been any kind of heaven !!
It was already a shitty hell hole before Katrina !!
Don'T blame Obama for Bush's stupid decisions !!
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 358376 (OP)
10/10/2008 9:24 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Actually I live in Katy TX, just west of Houston. Very affluent. And yeah, I was just as idealistic and doe eyed as you right out of college, with friends from every walk of life, race and nationality I wanted this united world. Then they came to live here and I got a first hand look and then this community changed and crime has become a way of life and it changed me.
3000 sqft home and it cost 165K in 2004 affluent? You got to be kidding. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 509564
My mistake. Katy in itself is affluent, my neighborhood is just middle class. Our combined income at home is about 95K right now, closer to 110K if you wanna factor in bonuses. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 522980
10/10/2008 9:25 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
OP wrote:
My middle class neighborhood has become a haven for blacks. I live in a home that's 3000 sqft and cost 165K, so homes in my area are similar in size and price."
Okay, that's hardly affluent. But, I can appreciate your concern for your neighborhood. But, it's not all about skin color.
What race do you think the captains of industry are that have been raping you and the rest of us hard working Americans? Hmmm... Hint, I don't think their from the hood. You really should be more afraid of the fools running your 401k and your ARM then a few undesirable neighbors. Otherwise, move up to a better residence, perhaps $500k. I did and (OMG!) there are blacks there, too. |
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ATTC
User ID: 516748
10/10/2008 9:26 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Thats the archetypal white liberal guilt-edged response. All ethnic races face adversity and obstacles in a white-majority society but where others seem to advance through work and effort, african americans seem to be stuck in a cycle of blaming everyone but themselves.
Sometimes you have to take responsibility for yourself regardless of circumstances. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 408277
Actually that's the reality.
The must fascinating thing about racism is the irony of the racists who complain about blacks always complaining about race.
What exactly are you doing? You seem to think black people make white people the scapegoat of society but it seems to me that you are making them the scapegoat of society.
Too simpleminded and ignorant to ever know that race is something invented to divide and conquer the classes.
10% of the population owns 90% of the wealth. Yet the rest of that 90% of the population is too busy hating each other than lashing out at the injustices that lead to this country having one of the greatest disparities of wealth out of all Western civilizations. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489843
10/10/2008 9:27 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
I'm not saying OP is right or wrong, but he does echo the thoughts of a lot of Democrats I've talked to who have decided not to vote at all. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 358376 (OP)
10/10/2008 9:27 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
blah blah blah, more liberal drivel. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 358376 (OP)
10/10/2008 9:28 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
I'm not saying OP is right or wrong, but he does echo the thoughts of a lot of Democrats I've talked to who have decided not to vote at all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 489843
It's ok, I fully knew before posting the thread that I'd be crucified for expressing what A LOT of people feel. The fact that they don't always choose to express it out loud is a different subject. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 514538
10/10/2008 9:31 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 521468
10/10/2008 9:31 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
I have enjoyed this tread, I think we finally chased the lower conciseness away.....
That's ok, I went through my new agey phase a few years ago. Now i'm in my REALIST phase... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 358376
You must have been a much nicer person before. Tell me Oh so REAL ONE... Are you as nasty to the black babies and chidren? Are they so terrible you would shudder at the thought of helping them if you saw they were in danger? Would you rather die than be operated on by*gasp* a black doctor? |
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ATTC
User ID: 516748
10/10/2008 9:31 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Take a look at the crime stats.
I have been poor all my life but i have RESPECT for other people and their property.crime is the easy option ,easier than a days HONEST GRAFT. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516415
You're also one person. Not every poor person regardless of race is a delinquent.
Actually one of the most common themes among people who break the law especially among young people is guidance. We learn right from wrong from influences around us throughout our childhood.
The more poor the less likely we are to have those influences.
Take a look at a majority white poor neighborhood and compare the delinquency there with an affluent white neighborhood.
Not only is someone poor more likely to commit a violent crime but the statistics are skewed even more considering the representation in court the affluent person is likely to be able to afford, considering the police patrol in poor neighborhoods vs affluent ones, and even the bias of judge/jury.
All those factors are why there are 5 times more blacks than whites in prison. But even with that many more times. That's only 3% of the black population. That leaves 97% as law abiding citizens.
But of course with such racist vile you are too busy spilling you wouldn't even recognize that. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 358376 (OP)
10/10/2008 9:33 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Take a look at the crime stats.
I have been poor all my life but i have RESPECT for other people and their property.crime is the easy option ,easier than a days HONEST GRAFT.
You're also one person. Not every poor person regardless of race is a delinquent.
Actually one of the most common themes among people who break the law especially among young people is guidance. We learn right from wrong from influences around us throughout our childhood.
The more poor the less likely we are to have those influences.
Take a look at a majority white poor neighborhood and compare the delinquency there with an affluent white neighborhood.
Not only is someone poor more likely to commit a violent crime but the statistics are skewed even more considering the representation in court the affluent person is likely to be able to afford, considering the police patrol in poor neighborhoods vs affluent ones, and even the bias of judge/jury.
All those factors are why there are 5 times more blacks than whites in prison. But even with that many more times. That's only 5% of the black population. That leaves 95% as law abiding citizens.
But of course with such racist vile you are too busy spilling you wouldn't even recognize that. Quoting: ATTC
And apologists like you are the reason why they still refuse to be accountable for their actions. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499261
10/10/2008 9:33 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Everyone should be free to choose who they LIKE and DISLIKE , Without being called a RACIST. I like some RACES dislike others ,its my choice, just do not play the RACE CARD every time someone has a view.
Beautifully said.
Why can't you see that first and foremost we are all HUMAN? Your statements are so hate-filled. There are good and bad people of EVERY race and religion! I am a white woman, an INDIVIDUAL...just like you AND every other person on this planet... *sigh* -- this topic is really making me sad...
Don't let it get you down. Half the dumbasses here talking about black people wouldn't last two minutes in any ethnically different neighborhood than their own. I had friends white and black who could step into most communities (be they inner city or upscale) and nobody would give them trouble but do you know why? Because they carried themselves with confidence (not like badasses but like men), like they were on a mission, and if you stepped to them wrong you would be picking yourself up from across the street. It's all in the presentation...
you are wrong i lived in the east end of london ,how is that for ethnic , Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516415
Never made it to the east end, but I've been to London. Used to hang out with a Jamaican girl I met in a club I think was called the Hippodrome. |
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Alpha Female 
User ID: 512197
10/10/2008 9:33 PM
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what i dislike is that the racists comments i see here totally disrespect black people who are hard workers and have taken responsibility for their lives and have become successful as doctors, lawyers and other professional trades as well as skilled laborers. i know that many cannot and will not admit that there are intelligent, caring, compassionate black people in america. all they know is what the music videos show. there are more black men in college than jail. there is a higher percentage of black men in jail when you look at the black population. the percentage of males per race are lower than those of black men. there are more whites in jail because there are a lot more white people in the country than black people.
the majority of black people are law-abiding citizens. not people to hate and be scared of and slandered. |
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ATTC
User ID: 516748
10/10/2008 9:36 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
And apologists like you are the reason why they still refuse to be accountable for their actions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 358376
You're a NWO apologist.
Do you want me to compare the rap sheet of black citizens in the USA with the NWO?
The most hilarious thing is that you automatically assume that Im not black.
Perhaps you've never met an intelligent black person before.
Take someone like Dr. King who was a greater orator that 99.9 % of people to ever live. |
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Alpha Female
User ID: 512197
10/10/2008 9:37 PM
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Everyone should be free to choose who they LIKE and DISLIKE , Without being called a RACIST. I like some RACES dislike others ,its my choice, just do not play the RACE CARD every time someone has a view.
You are truly, truly st00pid... I almost feel sorry for you. If anybody loves you, you might want to wear a helmet next time before you try using the 'puder.
OP - Your shitty city was the single biggest cocaine distribution center in the entire United States before you ever started putting up Katrina refugees.
[ link to www.usdoj.gov]
Kind of shoot your theory all to hell, doesn't it?
like i said i am free to choose due to my experience.There good and bad all over the world, but sometimes you can have more of a bad experiance with some races.
do not call me stupid i have lived with all kinds of races and have friends from all over the world.
You are right. And I've had my share of bad experiences with blacks. Starting with working with them while in college... what a freaking nightmare. I still shudder when I think of the cafeteria tables with grease smeared all over them, and bare chicken bones laying on top just like that, when there were trash cans all over the place! All it took was a few steps! The women's bathrooms were disgusting, with TP rolls on the floor, and menstrual discharge that wasn't flushed away all over the toilet bowl and dripping from it ( I WISH I was kidding abt this) and fecal mattered smeared on the wall. Then I've had no less than 5 friends and family affected by crime commited by black people, from break ins, insurance fraud, to a close female friend of mine who was abducted, raped then shot in the head and her body left to bloat in the summer heat(google Maria Aparece) by these animals. Now they're all over my neighborhood, spreading like roaches, bringing our home prices down and people moving out again trying to get away from them. Yeah I'd say I've had bad experiences with this one race that I haven't had with any other one, and Houston is a huge melting pot, or at least used to be pre-Katrina.
if this is all you noticed from black people i guess you would feel that way. but for some reason i get the feeling that you overlooked the black people that weren't that way, because very few are that way. no black person i know has a bathroom like that. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 497999
10/10/2008 9:38 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Thats the archetypal white liberal guilt-edged response. All ethnic races face adversity and obstacles in a white-majority society but where others seem to advance through work and effort, african americans seem to be stuck in a cycle of blaming everyone but themselves.
Sometimes you have to take responsibility for yourself regardless of circumstances.
Actually that's the reality.
The must fascinating thing about racism is the irony of the racists who complain about blacks always complaining about race.
What exactly are you doing? You seem to think black people make white people the scapegoat of society but it seems to me that you are making them the scapegoat of society.
Too simpleminded and ignorant to ever know that race is something invented to divide and conquer the classes.
10% of the population owns 90% of the wealth. Yet the rest of that 90% of the population is too busy hating each other than lashing out at the injustices that lead to this country having one of the greatest disparities of wealth out of all Western civilizations. Quoting: ATTC |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 358376 (OP)
10/10/2008 9:38 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
Uh-oh, the liberals are back! You continue to feel sorry for blacks and I will continue to avoid them. How's that? |
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hardboiledheretic
User ID: 515384
10/10/2008 9:39 PM
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To me, Obama looks muslim Asian. Not liking that at all. And the name turns me off. Sorry, as an american that's totally fucked up. A little black and a little white too. Don't care about the race so much as the muslim thing. Call me a racist, I don't care.
Truly what bothers me is the lack of experience.
I haven't read the whole thread here, maybe some have said that oh, JFK didn't have experience either.
Well, uh, JFK grew up in a political family. That counts for experience.
Those days were far different than they are now. Back then, corruption wasn't global. Even the corrupt people had feelings.
Not now.
Well, I don't like McCain any better. He's fucking crazy.
We are doomed.
Can't wait until the 2009 glp threads!
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ATTC
User ID: 516748
10/10/2008 9:39 PM | | Re: NO I WONT VOTE FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT | Quote |
That's ok, I went through my new agey phase a few years ago. Now i'm in my REALIST phase... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 358376
Realist phase? That's a hoot. Let's see what realist means:
The arts
* Realism (arts), the depiction of subjects as they appear in everyday life
* Realism (dramatic arts), a movement towards greater fidelity to real life
* Realism (visual arts), a style of painting that depicts what the eye can see
* Classical Realism, an artistic movement in late 20th Century that valued beauty and artistic skill
* Hyperrealism (painting), a genre of painting that resembles high resolution photography
* Kitchen sink realism, an English cultural movement in the 1950s and 1960s that concentrated on contemporary social realism
* Literary realism, a 19th century literary movement
* Magic realism, an artistic genre in which magical elements appear in an otherwise realistic setting
* Nazi heroic realism or the art of the third Reich, a style of propaganda art associated with Nazi Germany
* New Realism, an artistic movement founded in 1960 by Pierre Restany and Yves Klein
* Poetic realism, a film movement in France in the 1930s that used heightened aestheticism
* Photorealism, a genre of painting that resembles photography
* Romantic realism, an aesthetic art term popularized by writer/philosopher Ayn Rand
* Social realism, an artistic movement which depicts working class activities
* Socialist realism, a style of propaganda art associated with Communism
Yeah that's about the realist that you are with |
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