I have a sister-in-law that is so much like Palin. She is a real sweetheart, but ditzy and arrogant, self absorbed and egotistical when she thinks she's in a power position. Those power positions are mainly in her head, but if she thinks it, it must be correct. With that said, I've had a really hard time taking Palin seriously. She is a double in traits my sister-in-law has and I've felt really about this internal conflict UNTIL I read the conclusions. Man she is so much like my sister-in-law I really understand why I can't stomach her.
I wouldn't vote for my sister-in-law for dog catcher, and I'm feeling the same way about Palin. Of course I can't vote for Obama or McCain either.
Still looking for the other solution, third-party or write-in. I'm so sad for my country.
Starbrite May you have the wish tonite User ID: 559 10/11/2008 12:49 AM
Re: Palin Troopergate investigation - HERE IS THE BRANCHFLOWER REPORT!! PALIN GUILTY OF ABUSE OF POWER!!
She did not have sexual relations with that committee
Not yet anyway, but Doggone it A.C. she is giving them the wink and she is here to help the all of the Americans on the committee.
Your avatar reminds me of Red Dawn. Could it be?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 269684
Not to be for I am Starbrite of the Nitesky, most often found habituating, the OGNS thread. Sorry.
Time to depart. Just empeach her or let her resign from the ticket. I wonder if anyone has even contemplated that. George Noory does not suck more than a Hoover. (Starbrite)
Life is a process;Enjoy the drive as much as the destination. (Starbrite)
Just for You. User ID: 523086 10/11/2008 12:52 AM
Re: Palin Troopergate investigation - HERE IS THE BRANCHFLOWER REPORT!! PALIN GUILTY OF ABUSE OF POWER!!
Does cheating on your spouse, taxes, impress you, how about forgetting about your duties to the children you choose to bring into this world. Are these the qualities in a person you admire.
As for the old guy, he is a whole-nother thread.
Quoting: Enlilson
No I Do Not think any of your POINTS are Qualities to Admire, In my walk of Life Those Qualities WILL get One Conducting their Self that Way SENT TO HELL. (And NO Grace DOES NOT cover this Type of behavior)
Needless to say Verry FEW Chose to Live the True Walk of FAITH for those Who Do they KNOW these Traitas are NOT GOOD.
So all in all We ALL Shall give an Account of our Lives.
And I am Fine with Mine, How do you Feal about Yours.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 519363 10/11/2008 12:54 AM
Re: Palin Troopergate investigation - HERE IS THE BRANCHFLOWER REPORT!! PALIN GUILTY OF ABUSE OF POWER!!
If you Knew of a State Trooper/Highway Patrol Officcer was Driving His Patrol Car and WAS DRINKING Alcholic Beverges Would YOU Want them to continue to be Employed as a State Police Offical.
I for ONE WOULD NOT, And what about Tasering HIS OWN CHILD
Do YOU Think these maters should be overlooked I DO NOT.
Anyone who is a State Police Officer MUST be Above BOARD at ALL TIMES.
Also Polly do you live in Alaska as Our State is Quite Different than Most and Yes we do Have OUR Share of Problems to deal With.
Anyway Have Fun with your Shit Stiring Hope you don't get any on YourSelf..
Quoting: Hay Polly. 523086
YO! Dipshit...yea YOU...DIPSHIT! This was an ETHICS investigation into an abuse of powers...it is based on the violation of the RULES...you know, those little inconvenient thing we have called LAWS! She is guilty because she let her unelected 'first dude' act in official capacities to help off her ex-bro in law.
This has nothing...let me spell it out for you N O T H I N G to do with the actions of the trooper! PERIOD!
You are arguing for something that doesn't matter in this case!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 478606 10/11/2008 12:56 AM
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the abuse charge was only because she didnt stop Todd. That is all they charged her with. Nothing else. Read it morons.
Get it right and stop spreading lies.
Idiots
Quoting: PACNWGUY 501628
She didn't stop Todd or aides, and issued pressure herself. Face it, Pacy. She abused her position of power. It was her legal responsibility to make sure things like this (breaking laws) was not to occur. Something about "knowfully" and "willfully" permitted. Your glitter girl is up to her ears in it.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 467259 10/11/2008 12:57 AM
Re: Palin Troopergate investigation - HERE IS THE BRANCHFLOWER REPORT!! PALIN GUILTY OF ABUSE OF POWER!!
the abuse charge was only because she didnt stop Todd. That is all they charged her with. Nothing else. Read it morons.
Get it right and stop spreading lies.
Idiots
She didn't stop Todd or aides, and issued pressure herself. Face it, Pacy. She abused her position of power. It was her legal responsibility to make sure things like this (breaking laws) was not to occur. Something about "knowfully" and "willfully" permitted. Your glitter girl is up to her ears in it.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 478606
PAC's in total denial since their beauty queen now has shit all over her tiarra!
This is what I've been arguing since the convention. McCain has lousy judgement and Palin is the icing on his shit cake!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 478606 10/11/2008 1:00 AM
Re: Palin Troopergate investigation - HERE IS THE BRANCHFLOWER REPORT!! PALIN GUILTY OF ABUSE OF POWER!!
the abuse charge was only because she didnt stop Todd. That is all they charged her with. Nothing else. Read it morons.
Get it right and stop spreading lies.
Idiots
Quoting: PACNWGUY 501628
Oh, BTW, she is the liar : "I didn't do anything wrong." Err, Umm. Violating the ethics laws of Alaska is doing something wrong whether you agree with the law or not.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 519363 10/11/2008 1:01 AM
Re: Palin Troopergate investigation - HERE IS THE BRANCHFLOWER REPORT!! PALIN GUILTY OF ABUSE OF POWER!!
I think both McCain, Palin, Obama and Biden suck hairy ass cheeks.
I'm not going to enjoy voting for McCain. He's just the slightly less of two horrible evils.
I'm just not into Marxist candidates.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 467259
I guess it's better to be a greedy bastard instead! Vote for mcsame since you'd rather have a couple of dirty poiticians in office and let them drive the economy off a cliff then accept the change that is coming.
And while you're at it why don't you just write in Ronald Reagan on the ticket. He'd do a better job from 6 feet under then that senile old coot with aligator arms!
the abuse charge was only because she didnt stop Todd. That is all they charged her with. Nothing else. Read it morons.
Get it right and stop spreading lies.
Idiots
She didn't stop Todd or aides, and issued pressure herself. Face it, Pacy. She abused her position of power. It was her legal responsibility to make sure things like this (breaking laws) was not to occur. Something about "knowfully" and "willfully" permitted. Your glitter girl is up to her ears in it.
PAC's in total denial since their beauty queen now has shit all over her tiarra!
This is what I've been arguing since the convention. McCain has lousy judgement and Palin is the icing on his shit cake!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 519363
It amazes me how some people don't recognize it. The record shows she's done this type of thing for a very long time. Just got caught this time. It was so clear when he picked her what she was about. I wonder how much more will come out from other times and places now that she's been outted and people will feel safer. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 478606 10/11/2008 1:08 AM
Re: Palin Troopergate investigation - HERE IS THE BRANCHFLOWER REPORT!! PALIN GUILTY OF ABUSE OF POWER!!
the abuse charge was only because she didnt stop Todd. That is all they charged her with. Nothing else. Read it morons.
Get it right and stop spreading lies.
Idiots
She didn't stop Todd or aides, and issued pressure herself. Face it, Pacy. She abused her position of power. It was her legal responsibility to make sure things like this (breaking laws) was not to occur. Something about "knowfully" and "willfully" permitted. Your glitter girl is up to her ears in it.
PAC's in total denial since their beauty queen now has shit all over her tiarra!
This is what I've been arguing since the convention. McCain has lousy judgement and Palin is the icing on his shit cake!
It amazes me how some people don't recognize it. The record shows she's done this type of thing for a very long time. Just got caught this time. It was so clear when he picked her what she was about. I wonder how much more will come out from other times and places now that she's been outted and people will feel safer. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 478606
Totally agree AC...but it isn't until one is found guilty that the accusations have merit. I'm now enjoying wathching the McSame/Palintologist implode!
Obama's whoopin thier asses! I'm inclined to think there is divine intervention going on, but then again it may just be Karma coming back to bite the Republican's in the ass in spades!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 523112 10/11/2008 1:11 AM
Re: Palin Troopergate investigation - HERE IS THE BRANCHFLOWER REPORT!! PALIN GUILTY OF ABUSE OF POWER!!
e Palin Troopergate Report - a Lawyer's View
by oregondem
How could Gov. Sarah Palin have "abused her power" by violating the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act," if her firing of Commissioner of Public Safety Walt Monegan was a "proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority"?
Update: upaithric in a comment below puts it this way: "In regards to her actions against Monegan, what she did was legal, but in regards to her actions against trooper Wooten, what she did was illegal."
The first of these is Finding Number One in the Report to the Legislative Council filed today by the independent investigator for the Alaska legislature. The second is Finding Number Two.
Gotta love the language we lawyers use, dontcha? I am going to provide some explanation of how both Findings can be issued in the same report.
The keys are the words "abused her power by violating" the ethics laws in her attempts to get Trooper Wotten fired, and the words her "constitutional and statutory authority" in regard to the actual firing of Commissioner Monegan.
She lawfully exercised her authority in terms of the laws setting forth what authority she has, but she violated different laws by acting in a manner that abused her use of power in regard to Trooper Wooten.
To put it another way, the Alaska constitution and statutes allow the Governor to do certain things, such as hire and fire officials at will. If she engages in illegally unethical behavior, she has still exercised her lawful authority. A court cannot overturn her actions as unconstitutional or contrary to the statutes setting forth how much authority she has.
But her exercise of power in an illegally unethical manner is still a violation of law -- a different law.
Think of it this way: Let's say that you are a major national politician and you have a gambling problem (as some do) and that you use your rich wife's money for your habit, without her knowledge or permission. Heck, let's even say that you took the money from your kids' school's fund for band uniforms and gambled with it.
You did not violate any statutory authority related to gambling. The casino can't say that, as punishment for stealing from the kids (an illegal act) you have to give your winnings back to the casino! Your punishment for that violation is elsewhere.
You still abused your power (violated the public trust) by acting in an unethical manner -- in fact, in a manner prohibited by law. It is a question, in part, of where the remedy lies for the stealing of the kids' money in my gambling example, or the abuse of the public trust in the case of Gov. Palin's actual actions.
Page 48 of the Report points out that Alaska's ethics law states:
The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.
After listing 18 "events" of improper behavior by Sarah and Todd Palin, the Report says on page 67 that Gov. Palin "knowingly" engaged in various kinds of improper behavior with regard to Trooper Wooten and therefore "abused her power as Governor" and "violated . . . the Ethics Act."
The Report also said on page 65 that "compliance with the code of ethics is not optional" and that the efforts to benefit her personal interests was a violation of "trust."
On page 71, the Report notes that the Constitution of Alaska allows the Governor to fire the head of any department for "virtually any reason." It notes that she could have had some reasons in additional to her unethical motives, and that is enough to make the action constitutional.
She did not exceed the constitutional authority of the Governor's Office -- but perhaps even Governor Palin would agree that there are some standards that are even higher than those of a state's constitution. Those who are religious would even say there are some "laws" that are higher.
The Alaska constitution sets minimal standards -- basically no limits at all -- on the exercise of authority by its Governor. But abuse of power is still unlawful, in a separate sphere.
Nobody can undo her action in firing Commissioner Monegan as violating the constitution. But the people have the power to deny high national office to those engaged in illegal abuses of power.
Wouldn't that be a refreshing change from the past nearly 8 years?
the abuse charge was only because she didnt stop Todd. That is all they charged her with. Nothing else. Read it morons.
Get it right and stop spreading lies.
Idiots
Oh, BTW, she is the liar : "I didn't do anything wrong." Err, Umm. Violating the ethics laws of Alaska is doing something wrong whether you agree with the law or not.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 478606
She lied and she lied and she lied and she lied...
Wasilla Meth Baybay User ID: 523112 10/11/2008 1:26 AM
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everyone lies
oh, by the way not a McCain Palin supporter, I'm a Ron Paul/Chuck Baldwin supporter
TERRY ANDERSON, A BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST, WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA HAS SAID THAT AREN'T EXACTLY CORRECT.
Tuesday, May 27, 2008 **Obama's Not Exactlys
Obama's Not Exactlys:
1.) **Selma** March Got Me Born** - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)
2.) **Father Was A Goat Herder** - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) **Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter** - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
4.) **My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom** - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to
speak to Odinga on the phone. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.
5.) **My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian** - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) **My Name is African Swahili** - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....
** [link to www.arcadeathome.com]
7.) **I Never Practiced Islam** - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) **My School In Indonesia Was Christian** - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to
prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'
9.) **I Was Fluent In Indonesian** - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) **Because I Lived In Indonesia** , I Have More Foreign Experience** - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn except how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) **I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs** - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) **I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion** - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)**An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office** - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
14.)** A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life** - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
15.) **I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08** - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) **Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate** - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.)** Oops, I Misvoted** - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.)** I Was A Professor Of Law** - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) **I Was A Constitutional Lawyer** - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.)** Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill** - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it or create it.
21.)** The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass** - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.)** I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill** - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) **I Have Released My State Records** - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.)** I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess** - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) **My Economics Bill Will Help America** - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) **I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois** - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.)** I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year** - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) **No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA** - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.)** I Am Tough On Terrorism** - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel .
30.) **I Want All Votes To Count** - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.
31.) **I Want Americans To Decide** - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
32.) **I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate** - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.
33.) **I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics** - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
34.) **I Don't Take PAC Money** - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.*
35.)** I don't Have Lobbysists** - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
36.) **My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad** - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
37.)** I Have Always Been Against Iraq** - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.
38.) **I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care** - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.
39.) **My uncle liberated Auschwitz concentration camp** - NOT EXACTLY, your mother had no brothers and the Russan army did the liberating.
Well, they could vote to impeach her, or censure her, or whatever the Alaskan legislature determines. The Alaskan people might really not like being lied to. They may rise up and call for severe action. Palin was elected because she was going to rid the place of corruption, right ? (More of the same, I see.)
Anonymous Coward User ID: 459297 10/11/2008 1:46 AM
Re: Palin Troopergate investigation - HERE IS THE BRANCHFLOWER REPORT!! PALIN GUILTY OF ABUSE OF POWER!!
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