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Should US socialize the banking system
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archduke
User ID: 523270
10/11/2008 8:46 AM
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U.S. should socialize not only the health care system,but the banking system as well.Medical services are socialized in every democracy but america's.This is because republicans think anything socialized will lead to elimination of freedom,which is patently absurd. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 8:56 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
U.S. should socialize not only the health care system,but the banking system as well.Medical services are socialized in every democracy but america's.This is because republicans think anything socialized will lead to elimination of freedom,which is patently absurd. Quoting: archduke
1. The Patriot Act allows the U.S. government to take any person out of their home.. at any time..if..that person is considered a terrorist. No trial, no hearing, straight to jail.
2. Included in this, is the government's ability to eavesdrop on telephone, e-mail, and open forums conversations on the internet.
3. The North American Union Treaty was passed without the consent of the American people. Enacted in secret and considered an act of treason.
4. Military action in American neighborhoods across the country has been initated.
5. The media is no longer respecting our freedom of speech, unless of course you are saying what they will allow to be heard.
6. The Federal Reserve, which is not part of the U.S. government, can now own stock in our banking system.
Uh..what is it about all this loss of freedom that you find absurd? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 455142
10/11/2008 9:01 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
U.S. should socialize not only the health care system,but the banking system as well.Medical services are socialized in every democracy but america's.This is because republicans think anything socialized will lead to elimination of freedom,which is patently absurd. Quoting: archduke
Your critical thinking skills and sorry excuse for logic are the only things absurd here.
By definition, Socialism destroys individual liberties.
Fuck, you learn that in junior high social studies, you ignorant bitch. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 9:01 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
Oh and I forgot one.
Americans can no longer claim complete bankruptcy after having been deliberately pushed into the brink of financial ruin.
Very convenient wouldn't you say?
I mean..they thought of everything. |
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archduke
User ID: 523270
10/11/2008 9:11 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
Oh and I forgot one.
Americans can no longer claim complete bankruptcy after having been deliberately pushed into the brink of financial ruin.
Very convenient wouldn't you say?
I mean..they thought of everything. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 515251
All the direct result of republicans |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 490531
10/11/2008 9:23 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
If you "socialize" the banks by having the government take control what does that mean? All the government will do is hand control to the Federal Reserve. Not exactly what I call "government control".
I personally think the federal reserve SHOULD be nationalized. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 9:23 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
Oh and I forgot one.
Americans can no longer claim complete bankruptcy after having been deliberately pushed into the brink of financial ruin.
Very convenient wouldn't you say?
I mean..they thought of everything.
All the direct result of republicans Quoting: archduke
Well, it was the Demos that pushed the bill through.
House Republicans tried to stop it.
Whether that was a true attempt, nobody will ever know.
My opinion is, they are all corrupt.
This is just a game, to keep people occupied fighting over who will be the next Pres.
Interesting, both these men that claim to be able to help the country, can't think of one damn concrete idea to fix the economy.
But they're going to lead us!
Yeah,
right! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 270862
10/11/2008 9:25 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
Well dukie, move to france or someother socialist country that rewards being lazy and stupid. There you won't have to finish 8th grade. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 9:27 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
If you "socialize" the banks by having the government take control what does that mean? All the government will do is hand control to the Federal Reserve. Not exactly what I call "government control".
I personally think the federal reserve SHOULD be nationalized. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 490531
The Federal Reserve is a private business.
Not part of the government.
That's like saying,
"OK, let me hand over all my hard earned public tax money straight into the pockets of all the CEO's that own/run big businesses."
Who do NOTHING FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY EXCEPT TO GET RICHER ON OUR MONEY!
Understand? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 514132
10/11/2008 9:28 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
BOO |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 523312
10/11/2008 9:29 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
U.S. should socialize not only the health care system,but the banking system as well.Medical services are socialized in every democracy but america's.This is because republicans think anything socialized will lead to elimination of freedom,which is patently absurd. Quoting: archduke
Generally speaking, when something is socialized, everyone is FORCED to participate, which is the problem I have. If the government wants to have social security, welfare, unemployment compensation, socialized healthcare or whatever, let them, but people who don't want to participate shouldn't have to, shouldn't have to pay for it, and if they screw up and ask for help the gubbment should say "sorry you aren't a participant." |
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Accidental Stoner
User ID: 497206
10/11/2008 9:32 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
Hehheh...well, that's just it.
Nobody but the collective should have the right to issue symbols of value.
Or the game will repeat. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 455142
10/11/2008 9:33 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
If you "socialize" the banks by having the government take control what does that mean? All the government will do is hand control to the Federal Reserve. Not exactly what I call "government control".
I personally think the federal reserve SHOULD be nationalized. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 490531
The depths of ignorance and stupidity in this thread is staggering.
Do you have any concept for what Socialism is or why is MUST be prevented? No, you obviously do not.
It would take me 2 hours and a very long post to explain why Socializing the banks is a VERY bad thing, but you would not understand, thus it would be a waste of my time.
Please, read a book (or several books) and study the history of Socialism.
Then take a peek at a couple documents that you have never read... the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution; lots of good information and plenty for you to learn there.
Socialism is bad and goes against everything this country was founded on and is fundamentally opposed to. |
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anonymous
User ID: 523232
10/11/2008 9:37 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
ask anyone still alive today who lived through the Great Depression if they would have wanted our goverment to stop the financial bleeding that brought on the great depression ..many once succesful americans literally went begging in the streets for bread .every day..even slept under bridges.these people had not been bums before the Great Depression struck, nor had they been derilicks ..they lost jobs then thier homes or apts..went into the street..soup lines across america..many slept 3 or more to a tiny room in rooming houses just to have a roof.....they were once, successful people .. .If our Goverment can keep us from our losing jobs and homes and hitting the street at this time in our history, so damm be it..you better want the damm bleeding to stop..America will come through this also in time.our people are educated and brilliant ..The people of the Great depression had a 5 to 8 grade education..you better know Americans will come through this over time and be better after it..we always have...... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 9:37 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
If you "socialize" the banks by having the government take control what does that mean? All the government will do is hand control to the Federal Reserve. Not exactly what I call "government control".
I personally think the federal reserve SHOULD be nationalized.
The depths of ignorance and stupidity in this thread is staggering.
Do you have any concept for what Socialism is or why is MUST be prevented? No, you obviously do not.
It would take me 2 hours and a very long post to explain why Socializing the banks is a VERY bad thing, but you would not understand, thus it would be a waste of my time.
Please, read a book (or several books) and study the history of Socialism.
Then take a peek at a couple documents that you have never read... the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution; lots of good information and plenty for you to learn there.
Socialism is bad and goes against everything this country was founded on and is fundamentally opposed to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 455142
Don't get all worked up about this. I think some folks on here are paid to play the devil's advocate. (No pun intended).
I really believe our words and our thoughts are being monitored. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 455142
10/11/2008 9:40 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
If you "socialize" the banks by having the government take control what does that mean? All the government will do is hand control to the Federal Reserve. Not exactly what I call "government control".
I personally think the federal reserve SHOULD be nationalized.
The depths of ignorance and stupidity in this thread is staggering.
Do you have any concept for what Socialism is or why is MUST be prevented? No, you obviously do not.
It would take me 2 hours and a very long post to explain why Socializing the banks is a VERY bad thing, but you would not understand, thus it would be a waste of my time.
Please, read a book (or several books) and study the history of Socialism.
Then take a peek at a couple documents that you have never read... the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution; lots of good information and plenty for you to learn there.
Socialism is bad and goes against everything this country was founded on and is fundamentally opposed to.
Don't get all worked up about this. I think some folks on here are paid to play the devil's advocate. (No pun intended).
I really believe our words and our thoughts are being monitored. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 515251
No, I do get worked up when people start talking about the United States of America and Socialism!
If you have any knowledge of history and any love for this country, the thought of such a thing is disgusting and infuriating! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 9:45 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
Oh, and I meant to say this.
Now this is a real crack up!
Very funny!
When Paulson said that the Feds get Preferred Stock in the banks.
(You guys out there, that don't know what that means, should look it up)
But won't hold voting rights on the banking boards.
Now..THAT IS FUNNY!!
Almost as funny as Palin's winkie.. winkie actions. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 9:46 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
If you "socialize" the banks by having the government take control what does that mean? All the government will do is hand control to the Federal Reserve. Not exactly what I call "government control".
I personally think the federal reserve SHOULD be nationalized.
The depths of ignorance and stupidity in this thread is staggering.
Do you have any concept for what Socialism is or why is MUST be prevented? No, you obviously do not.
It would take me 2 hours and a very long post to explain why Socializing the banks is a VERY bad thing, but you would not understand, thus it would be a waste of my time.
Please, read a book (or several books) and study the history of Socialism.
Then take a peek at a couple documents that you have never read... the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution; lots of good information and plenty for you to learn there.
Socialism is bad and goes against everything this country was founded on and is fundamentally opposed to.
Don't get all worked up about this. I think some folks on here are paid to play the devil's advocate. (No pun intended).
I really believe our words and our thoughts are being monitored.
No, I do get worked up when people start talking about the United States of America and Socialism!
If you have any knowledge of history and any love for this country, the thought of such a thing is disgusting and infuriating! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 455142
I agree with you. But you know what you need to do now.
Just remember, some people here are just playing the game. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487076
10/11/2008 9:46 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
Progressive taxes, Fiat Currencies, Fractional Reserve Banking, and Central Banking are all socialist designs intended to distribute wealth upwards. We need to Un-socialize our financial system.
We must get rid of the Federal Reserve, and Fiat currency if we hope to remove ourselves from our current financial crisis. The Federal Reserve is the problem, not the solution. nothing they can do will help.
Returning money with real value (Instead of government issued(Borrowed) script with an ever changing (always down) value is the only way to return us to our former wealth.
It will also bring federal and state spending under control. Of course people will be shocked to find out how much real wealth they have lost since we went of the Gold standard in 1971, but they are going to get shocked on way or another. The Federal Reserve not has to much debt attached to it, IT IS NO LONGER SELF SUSTAINABLE! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 497949
10/11/2008 9:46 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
Section 8. The Congress shall have power
To borrow money on the credit of the United States
To coin money, regulate the value thereof
United States Constitution
[link to www.law.cornell.edu]
Congress has the power to borrow money, and to coin (create) money.
Does Congress have the power to regulate the value of the money it creates by regulating (or controlling) the American banking system?
I would say yes, it does. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 9:51 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
In theory, yes. Congress has the power.
But the Federal Reserve is NOT Congress.
However, Congress is a done deal.
Bought out.
Corrupt.
So I guess you could say, Congress is now the Federal Reserve.
It wasn't originally meant to be that way.
But the Sons Of Light.. really work in the shadows.
Still..this time..
it ain't gonna work! |
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D. SMith
User ID: 436409
10/11/2008 9:56 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
ask anyone still alive today who lived through the Great Depression if they would have wanted our goverment to stop the financial bleeding that brought on the great depression ..many once succesful americans literally went begging in the streets for bread .every day..even slept under bridges.these people had not been bums before the Great Depression struck, nor had they been derilicks ..they lost jobs then thier homes or apts..went into the street..soup lines across america..many slept 3 or more to a tiny room in rooming houses just to have a roof.....they were once, successful people .. .If our Goverment can keep us from our losing jobs and homes and hitting the street at this time in our history, so damm be it..you better want the damm bleeding to stop..America will come through this also in time.our people are educated and brilliant ..The people of the Great depression had a 5 to 8 grade education..you better know Americans will come through this over time and be better after it..we always have...... Quoting: anonymous 523232
The idea that this is an 'either or' is what many of us object to. Government involvement is enevidable, it is how they involve themselves, and the precedent that they set, and the laws that are enacted when they do that concern us.
WE are sick and tired of this 'trickle down' garbage, it does not work, it only corrupts the people at the top even more. Make no mistake about it this is more trickle down crap.
We could have used the money for a bottom up restructure, helping people from the bottom who will spend the money and restart the Economy. We could have used it on infrasturcture, and manufactoring incentives. Instead we are going to have the save the very rich and make them richer, and by the time the money that suppose to 'trickle down' gets to any one at my level(if any of it does), we will already be standing in a bread line, or be tenants living and working away our lives owning everything we make to someone else, economic slaves to rich masters.
THose who have eyes are seeing the plan more clearly, and we dont like it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 497949
10/11/2008 9:56 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
In theory, yes. Congress has the power.
But the Federal Reserve is NOT Congress.
However, Congress is a done deal.
Bought out.
Corrupt.
So I guess you could say, Congress is now the Federal Reserve.
It wasn't originally meant to be that way.
But the Sons Of Light.. really work in the shadows.
Still..this time..
it ain't gonna work! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 515251
I was just quoting from the owner's manual. That's the way we're supposed to do it.
However, Congress is a done deal.
Bought out.
Corrupt.
And what are the owners (we the people) going to do about that. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 522545
10/11/2008 10:00 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
I don't give a fuck what they do. I no longer require anything other than basic financial services and will hold the absolute minimum in their IOUs as is necessary to make purchases.
I am self sufficient and off their grid for good. I'd advise all with the motivation and means to do the same. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 10:05 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
In theory, yes. Congress has the power.
But the Federal Reserve is NOT Congress.
However, Congress is a done deal.
Bought out.
Corrupt.
So I guess you could say, Congress is now the Federal Reserve.
It wasn't originally meant to be that way.
But the Sons Of Light.. really work in the shadows.
Still..this time..
it ain't gonna work!
I was just quoting from the owner's manual. That's the way we're supposed to do it.
However, Congress is a done deal.
Bought out.
Corrupt.
And what are the owners (we the people) going to do about that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 497949
The American people are doing something.
They aren't investing in the stock market.
They are taking their money out of the banks.
Right now it is not an overt fight that's going on..but I have a very strong feeling that..if pushed anymore..there will be fighting in the streets.
And by that I do not mean Americans vs Americans. I mean Americans vs Washington officials and Wallstreet workers.
Sadly, some innocent people are going to get hurt.
But the population in this country..has had it! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 497949
10/11/2008 10:12 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
The American people are doing something.
They aren't investing in the stock market.
They are taking their money out of the banks.
Right now it is not an overt fight that's going on..but I have a very strong feeling that..if pushed anymore..there will be fighting in the streets.
And by that I do not mean Americans vs Americans. I mean Americans vs Washington officials and Wallstreet workers.
Sadly, some innocent people are going to get hurt.
But the population in this country..has had it! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 515251
But that isn't going to solve the underlying problem, or get the economy going again.
Is it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 10:16 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
The American people are doing something.
They aren't investing in the stock market.
They are taking their money out of the banks.
Right now it is not an overt fight that's going on..but I have a very strong feeling that..if pushed anymore..there will be fighting in the streets.
And by that I do not mean Americans vs Americans. I mean Americans vs Washington officials and Wallstreet workers.
Sadly, some innocent people are going to get hurt.
But the population in this country..has had it!
But that isn't going to solve the underlying problem, or get the economy going again.
Is it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 497949
Well, a revolution may not be the answer to the initial problems..but the answers generally follow after. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 497949
10/11/2008 10:25 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
The American people are doing something.
They aren't investing in the stock market.
They are taking their money out of the banks.
Right now it is not an overt fight that's going on..but I have a very strong feeling that..if pushed anymore..there will be fighting in the streets.
And by that I do not mean Americans vs Americans. I mean Americans vs Washington officials and Wallstreet workers.
Sadly, some innocent people are going to get hurt.
But the population in this country..has had it!
But that isn't going to solve the underlying problem, or get the economy going again.
Is it.
Well, a revolution may not be the answer to the initial problems..but the answers generally follow after. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 515251
You mean like when the commies revolted and took over Russia?
Like that?
They had the answers alright.
But I don't think we need those sort of answers here. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 10:26 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
The American people are doing something.
They aren't investing in the stock market.
They are taking their money out of the banks.
Right now it is not an overt fight that's going on..but I have a very strong feeling that..if pushed anymore..there will be fighting in the streets.
And by that I do not mean Americans vs Americans. I mean Americans vs Washington officials and Wallstreet workers.
Sadly, some innocent people are going to get hurt.
But the population in this country..has had it!
But that isn't going to solve the underlying problem, or get the economy going again.
Is it.
Well, a revolution may not be the answer to the initial problems..but the answers generally follow after.
You mean like when the commies revolted and took over Russia?
Like that?
They had the answers alright.
But I don't think we need those sort of answers here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 497949
Now there's the difference you see?
We're fighting the commies..
we're not the commies.
We're a democracy..and we will stay that way. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 522545
10/11/2008 10:29 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
The American people are doing something.
They aren't investing in the stock market.
They are taking their money out of the banks.
Right now it is not an overt fight that's going on..but I have a very strong feeling that..if pushed anymore..there will be fighting in the streets.
And by that I do not mean Americans vs Americans. I mean Americans vs Washington officials and Wallstreet workers.
Sadly, some innocent people are going to get hurt.
But the population in this country..has had it!
But that isn't going to solve the underlying problem, or get the economy going again.
Is it.
Well, a revolution may not be the answer to the initial problems..but the answers generally follow after.
You mean like when the commies revolted and took over Russia?
Like that?
They had the answers alright.
But I don't think we need those sort of answers here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 497949
The same commie Jews are the ones in control now.Your analogy is a joke. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515251
10/11/2008 10:32 AM | | Re: Should US socialize the banking system | Quote |
The American people are doing something.
They aren't investing in the stock market.
They are taking their money out of the banks.
Right now it is not an overt fight that's going on..but I have a very strong feeling that..if pushed anymore..there will be fighting in the streets.
And by that I do not mean Americans vs Americans. I mean Americans vs Washington officials and Wallstreet workers.
Sadly, some innocent people are going to get hurt.
But the population in this country..has had it!
But that isn't going to solve the underlying problem, or get the economy going again.
Is it.
Well, a revolution may not be the answer to the initial problems..but the answers generally follow after.
You mean like when the commies revolted and took over Russia?
Like that?
They had the answers alright.
But I don't think we need those sort of answers here.
The same commie Jews are the ones in control now.Your analogy is a joke. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 522545
Not just Jews.
The G 7 are made up of many different backgrounds.
As are the Sons of Light = Illuminati.
All over the globe. |
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